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- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:51:58 EST
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- From: "Bruce E. Nevin" <bnevin@CCB.BBN.COM>
- Subject: consensual reality
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- [From: Bruce Nevin (Thu 921112 07:25:24)]
-
- (Avery Andrews 921112.1238)
-
- > there is another rather interesting sense of `meaning' in
- >which your meaning is *wrong*. E.g. if you used it as a basis for
- >teaching in a Classics department, it would be quite in order for you
- >to be sacked for incompetence.
-
- Demonstrating competence as an employee is a special case of
- demonstrating membership. One must demonstrate to others (those who
- matter) that one controls certain perceptions to their satisfaction.
-
- Ah yes: one controls one's own perceptions so that those others
- experience no error in their own perceptions. One controls one's
- perception of their experiencing no error . . . . Lots of room here for
- illusion, delusion, projection, reification. But I agree: there does
- seem to be some supra-individual collective creation that persists over
- time and is shared across persons. Sapir's view I think (though he
- obscures things when he waxes poetic, as he likes to do), and Harris's,
- is that such entities as "the grammar" of "the language," "the culture,"
- and indeed "the Iliad," are artifacts of the science or other study that
- investigates them. Investigators into (their private) perceptions of
- some particular thing negotiate agreements about that thing, and then
- reify their negotiated agreements as the thing itself. The consensus-
- perceptions are felt to be different from the private perceptions, and
- indeed they are unless one happens to agree with the consensus utterly.
- In particular, negotiated consensus is much more stable than are ongoing
- subjective perceptions. This stability and other sensed differences are
- attributed to the thing that is perceived as apart from one's subjective
- perceptions of that thing; but the consensus is itself a perception, and
- not the Ding an sich.
-
- >I'm not denying that all this is ultimately based on perception, but I'm
- >trying to emphasize a social aspect of meaning that PCT maybe puts a bit
- >too much in the background.
-
- What I have been trying to say about this: while we imagine that we are
- learning it, we create it. In the course of acting in concert with
- others, while imagining that we or others had failed to learn it
- adequately, we test, renegotiate, and refine it.
-
- (BTW, is Lord's work on oral-traditional bardic performance in
- Yugoslavia and Macedonia now passe'?)
-
- Bruce
- bn@bbn.com
-