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- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:11:00 GMT
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- From: Dag Forssell <0004742580@MCIMAIL.COM>
- Subject: Study PCT first. Then make revolution.
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- [From Dag Forssell (921109)]
-
- (penni sibun 921109.1630) in response to Hank Folson (921109)
-
- >if pct were anchored in how the mind works, then the latter w/b an
- >excellent strategy. however, whether pct has a handle on the brain
- >is strictly a matter of faith at this point. one way to strengthen
- >pct's claim to the brain w/b to show it could account for language.
-
- PCT shows clearly that people attend to that which they are concerned
- about. To a person primarily concerned about language, who does not know
- or care about PCT, Penni's suggestion appears to make sense.
-
- Even on this CSGnet, which is dedicated to the study of PCT, there
- appears to be relatively few people who have studied PCT seriously, as
- an engineering science. Those who have, recognize and visualize the
- phenomenon of control. They have studied the book: Behavior: the Behavior
- of Perception and other works. They have applied the lessons of PCT in
- their own lives, can see control operate everywhere and have no doubt
- that PCT has a handle on the brain.
-
- PCT lives up to rigorous levels of testing and verification.
- Demonstrations with real human beings having to use their brain routinely
- demonstrate 95-98% correlation between prediction and actual. Does
- linguistics? Bill noted today the absence of a clear model in the
- discussions of linguistics. Without a model, you can't begin to test any
- validity of what you talk about. You cannot possibly live up to any
- rigorous standards, can you?
-
- I have no doubt whatsoever that PCT can account for language. And well.
- But it may not account for it on the presently popular terms of a
- descriptive science of linguistics. To ask PCT to explain the present
- state of the art in linguistics is backward. Instead, use PCT to develop
- a new, rigorous, engineering science of linguistics. To do that, the
- descriptive linguist must be prepared to think in terms of the physical
- or engineering sciences, learn PCT first, adopt new and much higher
- criteria of verification and finally (perhaps hardest of all) be prepared
- to follow the evidence, even when it may suggest the abandonment of
- cherished descriptive principles of contemporary linguistics, no matter
- how famous.
-
- If you learn PCT first, everything will fall in place, your special
- interest included, whatever it is. If you ask PCT to prove to you what
- you already think you know (but that may not be so at all), without
- learning PCT first, you will go round and round but never learn anything
- from your encounter with PCT advocates, except perhaps that PCT is
- nonsense and makes excessive claims.
-
- PCT offers the opportunity for a scientific revolution in all the
- branches of descriptive life sciences. A transition from a maze of
- descriptions based on each other to an engineering science based
- ultimately on physics.
-
- PCT is much more than a matter of faith. There is a lot of very hard
- evidence for those who are willing to look. PCT is knowledge, more
- certain than most.
-
- Best to all, Dag
-