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- From: microsoc@black.ox.ac.uk (Microsoc)
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- Subject: Re: I before E rule
- Message-ID: <1992Nov10.114427.24726@black.ox.ac.uk>
- Date: 10 Nov 92 11:44:27 GMT
- References: <1992Nov8.214004.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au> <1dkpvkINNft9@uwm.edu>
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- In article <1dkpvkINNft9@uwm.edu> jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes:
- >From article <1992Nov8.214004.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au>, by ccjal@cc.newcastle.edu.au (John A Lambert):
- >> In article <1df1jcINNpr6@uwm.edu>, jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (John G Dobnick) writes:
- >>> From article <1992Nov6.140630.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au>, by ccjal@cc.newcastle.edu.au (John A Lambert):
- >>>
- >>>> The rule as I learned it 55 or so years ago was `I before E when the sound is
- >>>> ee.'
- >>>
- >>> Weird!
- >>
- >> 2. To me `weird' doesn't have a `ee' sound. It has thwe same vowel sound as
- >> `weir' which is different from that in `believe'.
- >
- >Perhaps that's just because you 'Strines talk "funny"? ;-) ;-)
- >
- >Weird does have the "ee" sound, to my ears at least. In fact, I've never
- >heard it pronounced otherwise.
-
- Hmmm.. I think I know what John Lambert means... in weird (and weir) the
- "ei" isn't a dipthong -- I (at least) pronounce them "wee-urd". That's
- the difference between the "ei" here and the "ie" in "believe" -- it
- isn't JUST the "ee" sound....
-
- Hope that makes some sort of sense,
-
- Marc Read
-