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- From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
- Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
- Subject: Re: Phenomena egos??
- Date: 8 Nov 1992 12:40:58 GMT
- Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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- mjbrown@lonestar.utsa.edu (Marc J. Brown) writes:
-
- >In article <1dhp99INNqn5@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
-
- >>Todays
- >>machines are fast enough (unless you're still using a 68000) to handle
- >>a little code sloppiness. Portability is more important, now.
-
- >The Amiga has probably the best downward-compatibility of any computer...
-
- That's because so little has changed... besides, somehow I doubt that
- the demos (which emply many hardware tricks) will work so well on the
- A4000. Many of them won't even run on my 3000...
-
- >>Unix machine? That's right, there's not much point. Everything is
- >>written in C, to be portable, and is compiled on the appropriate machine.
-
- >Yeah. Therefore, demos are less practical for these machines. You may
- >argue that they're useless wastes of time... but that, obviously, is
- >the dead-end argument that "a good thing is really a bad thing."
-
- No, I'm just saying that most people are not programming in machine
- code any longer, due to the popularity and versatility of the Unix
- machines.
-
- >>the configuration is the same. But alas, you demos will soon become
- >>a thing of the past.
-
- >Downward-compatibility can keep that from happening...
-
- But downward compatibilty really can be rather limiting. There comes a
- point where compatibilty must be broken if any progress is going to
- be made. OF course, if you write in a high level language, you can port
- your program no matter what happens to the hardware (with a few
- modifications).
-
- >>Once you realize that portability and not size and speed optimization
- >>is the emphasis, you will see why no one really bothers to write
- >>demos anymore.
-
- >I think you've taken on a corrupt viewpoint of the situation. People do
- >write demos. It is a very fun hobby, and the results are distributable,
- >and there can even be very positive results of your efforts. What if I
- >said "Jeez... CDs sure are a waste of time... can't play 'em on my LD-
- >player." ...?
-
- You can play CDs on most laser disc players. And I'm not saying that writing
- demos is worthless. I realize that it takes quite a bit of skill to
- dream up and create those things. They are very impressive. However,
- the knowledge is very specialized and is thus limited. As soon as the
- particular platform is out-of-date, you have to learn so much new stuff.
- Of course, if you hang on to the obsolete computer for many years...
-
- >>because the clever people here in the US seem to be doing more
- >>productive and useful programming.
-
- >With personal interest specifically in mind. That's not an attitude I'd
- >like associated with me, personally :). BTW, do you think I'm European?
- >Sounds like it...
-
- By productive and useful programming, I meant portable stuff (ie in high
- level languages). I know very few people who keep up with the
- machine codes. For example, how many of you out there know the new
- 68040 instructions? Yes, I did think you were European.
-
- keith
-
-