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- From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
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- Subject: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov8.174514.10081@netcom.com>
- Date: 8 Nov 92 17:45:14 GMT
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- In article <lfqj54INN98m@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums) writes:
- >In article <BxC8n0.Au9@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> stevenra@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Alex Stevens) writes:
- >>In article <1992Nov6.150355.9849@rtf.bt.co.uk> fletcher@rtf.bt.co.uk (Catherine Fletcher) writes:
- >>
- >>>By the way, anyone who has the slightest grasp of what sexism is and doesn't
- >>>understand why an Elle calendar is offensive and harmful and a Chippendales
- >>>calendar isn't probably has no aptitude for complex thought - therefore I
- >>>am resorting to condescending insult rather than reasoned explanation.
- >>>
- >>>--
- >>> Catherine
- >>
- >> You make it sound as if sexism only exists toward the female.
- >---
- > Well, there are several things she said, she didn't say it was sexism
- >against women to have the calendar -- but that it was offensive and harmful.
- >She may be equating the two, but I don't read that in what Catherine wrote.
- >
- > As to your statement about sexism existing in the society. I had
- >a major disagreement with someone about this with someone, and she
- >wasn't able to explain it in a fair manor, but took a short class
- >on Diversity in the Workplace that explained that 'ism' is something
- >that the group in power does or can do to the non-dominant power group,
- >so in our culture as a whole, blacks cannot be guilty of racism and
- >women can't be guilty of sexism.
-
- A wonderful way for women to justify their sexism, while still claiming
- that male sexism is wrong. Same for racism.
-
- And people are actually buying this....
-
- > In different power settings where
- >where blacks or women hold more power relative to men, the blacks or
- >women can be guilty of 'isms'. In all cases the non-dominant power
- >group can be guilty of 'ist' (racist, sexist) behaviour.
- >
- > A minor technical point, but one I thought I would clarify.
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- You've been brainwashed bud, squeaky clean.
-
- [...]
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- >-wat-
- >
- > --- "If women really earned fifty-nine cents to the dollar for the same
- > work as men, what business could compete effectively by hiring men at
- > any level?" -- Dr. Warren Farrell
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- Rich
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- payner@netcom.com
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