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- From: asamonte@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...)
- Newsgroups: alt.irc
- Subject: Re: Bots, WarBots, Fun?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov12.045119.145595@zeus.calpoly.edu>
- Date: 12 Nov 92 04:51:19 GMT
- References: <1992Nov10.023612.174931@zeus.calpoly.edu> <1992Nov10.103304.25105@ugle.unit.no>
- Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu
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- gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) was telling me...
- >Just some loser... (asamonte@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu) wrote:
- >: gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) was telling me...
- >: >Herman H. Fredriksson (herm@merlin.etsu.edu) wrote:
- >: >: In article <1992Nov6.084134.17493@ugle.unit.no> gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) writes:
- >: >: >> I still feel alt.irc.bot would be useful (...)
- >: >: NOT.
- >: >I guess that is what we are discussing, or what?
- >: >: > [..people message this dude becos they want to have a whizbang bot too..]
- >: >Do you know how annoying that is?
- >: >: > Also, programming techniques could be shared, so that all bots would be
- >: >: Lame, weenie bots which give people a op (oh w0w) can be share/copied.
- >: >I said PROGRAMMING TEXHNIQUES, and giving people an op can be a bit more than
- >: >a single /on -join Gard mode $C +o $0
- >: > As an example, I have on Glurg this one:
- >:
- >: [script deleted]
- >:
- >: It's basically the same thing. It just checks user@host and name...BFD.
- >:
- >: >This is not just an op, but an ensurement that only I will have my Nick - at
- >: >least on channel #24892. This will prevent abuse of Glurg's mode commands.
- >:
- >: It's just an op.
- >
- >It makes sure that the Gard on #24892 is the real Gard. It was installed after
- >someone entered #24892, chenged his nick to Gard, got an op with Glurg and used
- >it to kick Glurg and everyone else out, making the channel private and banning
- >quite a few people.
-
- It's still just an op.
- And if you notice, if you had no bot in the first place this would have
- NEVER happened.
-
- >:
- >: >Also, earlier on, Glurg walked freely around on different channels commenting
- >: >things, responding to whatever the people said, and in most cases, it would
- >: >take quite a while or a /whois Glurg to discover that he was a bot. Now, that
- >: >need a little more programming technique than a /on join Gard mode $C +o $0
- >:
- >: Not much more. /on public "*keyphrase" Oh joy.
- >:
- >I removed it because:
- >1) There was no good purpose for this.
- >2) There was no use of it.
- >3) There was no reason to have it.
-
- Well originally you said it added 'atmosphere' and everyone liked it.
- Changing your midn already?
-
- >
- >: >: >optimized accordingly, and we could have fewer bots because bot programmers
- >: >:
- >: >: Oh my god, the word bot, and optimized in the same sentence.
- >: >
- >: >Surprised by that? Optimizing could be like... having an assigned variable
- >: >containing all the channels the bot is supposed to visit. and than just move
- >: >a pointer every time he's supposed to visit a new channel, rather than having
- >: >24892 on timer statements.
- >:
- >: Why they hell would you have a bot 'visit' channels? Why not just have
- >: it on all the channels at once?
- >:
- >I have had a request of letting Glurg comment a bit on #Esperanto. To avoid
- >putting yet another bot on IRC, I will let Glurg stay on BOT #24892 and
- >#Esperanto.
-
- I thought you removed this 'commenting' ability?
- There is no good purpose for it, there was not use for it, you had no
- reason to have it, remember?
-
- But that's not how you made it sound...you made it seem like the bot was just
- freely joining and leaving channels...
-
- >: >:
- >: >: >could agree to have only ONE bot with that and that function, and so on,
- >: >: There is no agreement. That is why we have bot wars.
- >: >
- >: >Of course there is no agreement - now. That is because the bot programmers
- >: >don't have a forum in which they can get the agreement. Whilst on IRC, they
- >: >are more interrested in debugging their bot or talking social stuff with
- >: >others. A newsgroup like alt.irc.bots would work fine for that.
- >:
- >: Hardly. Ok...you tell me how to resolve this problem, and then maybe
- >: it will work. Who would run this one bot? EVERYONE would want to run
- >: it so they can say it's their bot. If someone else runs it it's no fun.
- >: Why do you think so many people have them instead of sharing them?
- >:
- >I am currently working to make all the bot programmers at this school (MRIH) to
- >put all the bots in one.
-
- ANd who is going to run it? If you have to 'work' on it it's obviously not
- an easy thing to do...now try to imagine if you try to do that for everyone.
- As soon as you do it, it will be great...but I don't think it will
- ever happen.
-
- -Alex
-