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- From: fmontoya@frors65.circe.fr (frederic montoya)
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- Subject: Re: Gibbs sampling and annealing (was: Help! Book recommendations?)
- Message-ID: <1992Oct09.115016.187288@circe.fr>
- Date: 9 Oct 92 11:50:16 GMT
- References: <1992Oct4.192217.27919@news2.cis.umn.edu> <1992Oct2.095522.9172@vax.oxford.ac.uk> <1992Oct3.210337.21498@news2.cis.umn.edu> <92Oct4.130952edt.243@neuron.ai.toronto.edu>
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- In article <1992Oct4.192217.27919@news2.cis.umn.edu>,
- charlie@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Charles Geyer) writes:
- > In article <1992Oct3.210337.21498@news2.cis.umn.edu> I wrote:
- >
- > It makes no sense to compare Gibbs sampling versus simulated annealing,
- > for example.
- >
- > In article <92Oct4.130952edt.243@neuron.ai.toronto.edu>
- radford@cs.toronto.edu
- > (Radford Neal) replies:
- >
- > > Correct, but not for the reasons you perhaps mean. Simulated annealing
- > > is a technique that can be used in conjunction with Gibbs sampling
- > > (or other Markov chain methods, such as the Metropolis algorithm)
- > > in order to reach the final equilibrium distribution more quickly.
- >
- > Depends on how you think about Markov chain Monte Carlo. The
- > Metropolis-Hastings algorithm produces a Markov chain with a known
- > stationary distribution. This "annealing trick" doesn't. So far
- > from mixing MCMC and simulated annealing, it is not MCMC at all.
- >
- > Are there any practically useful convergence results for such schemes
- > once Markov chain theory is thrown out the window?
- >
-
- This especially true whenever you want to sample thermodynamic
- quantities. Averages must then be well controlled in order
- to get significant results.
-
- -----
- Frederic Montoya
- LSG2M - Ecole des Mines
- fmontoya@circe.fr
-