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- From: gsmith@euterpe.uucp (Gene W. Smith)
- Subject: Re: Area of five sided polygon needed
- Message-ID: <1992Oct13.134257.14192@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
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- Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
- References: <1992Oct12.200125.826@altair.selu.edu> <1992Oct13.040617.16321@husc3.harvard.edu>
- Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 13:42:57 GMT
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- In article <1992Oct13.040617.16321@husc3.harvard.edu>
- kubo@birkhoff.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo) writes:
- >In article <1992Oct12.200125.826@altair.selu.edu>
- fcs$1224@altair.selu.edu writes:
-
- >>Given a five sided polygon, is there a formula, in terms
- >>of its sides, for the area?
-
- >No, the sides don't uniquely determine the area, but...
-
- >1. There is a formula (due to Moebius?) for the area, S, in terms of the
- > areas of the triangles A,B,C,D,E cut off by the diagonals:
- >
- > S^2 - (A+B+C+D+E)S + (AB+BC+CD+DE+EA) = 0
-
- A curious fact about the above is that it us a resolvent. If a,b,c,d,e
- are the ordered roots of a polynomial over F with Galois group dihedral
- or cyclic, then the above polynomial has coefficients in F. If the
- Galois group is cyclic, then the above polynomial factors over F.
- Hence an irreducible degree five polynomial can be tested for having
- Galois group D5 or C5 by seeing if the polynomial above has
- coefficients in the field for some ordering of the roots.
-
- Supposing the roots are all real and positive and come from the areas
- of of triangles, if the total area s is F-rational, but the areas of
- the five triangles are of degree 5 over F, then the group is cyclic.
-
- I presume there is a reason for this. Maybe looking at what happens when
- you try to find actual triangles which work, given the areas and the
- fact that they fit together into a pentagon would help explain it.
-
- >3. I've heard of Brahmagupta-type polynomial equations for the areas of
- > *cyclic* N-gons, in terms of their sides.
-
- These work like Heron's formula.
- --
- Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University
- gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
-