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- From: holmes@garnet.idbsu.edu (Randall Holmes)
- Newsgroups: sci.math
- Subject: Re: Question on real numbers
- Message-ID: <1992Oct9.163013.18377@guinness.idbsu.edu>
- Date: 9 Oct 92 16:30:13 GMT
- References: <1992Oct8.211117.19295@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>
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- In article <1992Oct8.211117.19295@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> vhansen@ipfs.bau-verm.uni-karlsruhe.de (Wolfgang von Hansen) writes:
- >Hi everybody,
- >
- >is it possible to express any real number x with the following term
- >
- >x = a + rb; a, b \in Q; r \in R, r const.
- >
- >Some more words to explain what I mean:
- >I was wondering if there is an analogon between the real numbers and
- >the complex numbers.
- >
- >It is well known that any complex number c can be
- >written as an ordered pair of real numbers a, b: c = (a, b).
- >Operations can be done by using i := (0, 1) to write c = a + ib.
- >Knowing that i * i = -1 one can perform complex arithmetics by using
- >only the rules for real numbers.
- >
- >My idea is to write any real number as a pair of rational numbers
- >one of them multiplied with a constant real number r (see above).
- >a is not necessarily (spelling? ;-) different from null. A useful value
- >for r may be \sqrt(n), n \in N, because r * r = n is easy to handle.
- >This representation of the real numbers might improve the speed
- >and/or accuracy of algorithms on computers since all calculations are
- >done with rational numbers.
- >
- >There are some things left to do:
- >1. Proove if it is (not) possible.
- >2. Find a good value for r. (How many different values for r are
- > existing? none, one, finite, infinite?)
- >3. Find algorithm(s) to convert real numbers.
- >
- >I'd be very happy if someone could give me some hints how to deal with
- >these tasks. I'm afraid that there are some non-trivial problems
- >to solve.
- >
- >Thanks for paying attention, Wolfgang
-
- This is impossible. The easiest argument is from cardinality; there
- are too few numbers a + br (for any r). They can all be listed and
- then Cantor diagonalization can be carried out on them. Even a list
- of r_{i}'s for all i E n does not span the reals. A spanning set for
- the reals has uncountable cardinality.
-
-
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- above are not the "official" | M. Randall Holmes
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