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- From: phillip@BARTAL.COM (Phillip M. Vogel)
- Newsgroups: sci.electronics
- Subject: Re: Can despiking caps be connected to a central ground?
- Message-ID: <2677@bartal.BARTAL.COM>
- Date: 9 Oct 92 11:04:52 GMT
- References: <jeremym.718096983@sfu.ca> <7480126@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>
- Organization: Bartal Design Group, Inc.
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- In article <7480126@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) writes:
- >> The answer is THEY must go between VCC and GROUND on the SAME
- >> chip. The reason for a despiking cap is the momentary
- >> current rush caused by switchIno@in DRAMs and some other
- >> chips. The cap supplies the current needing for these chips
- >> and prevents them from degrading the powersupply. By
- >> placeing them not Immediatly to the chips ground you are
- >> totally defeating thier purpose.
- >>
- >
- >No, they do NOT need to go on the same IC if that means longer cap leads
- >than simply tying to the nearest ground point. Assuming a board with
- >power/ground planes, or a power/ground "grid" as Henry mentioned (easily
- >"do-able" on a wire-wrap board, this may mean that the caps tie to power and
- >ground *between* adjacent ICs. Distributing the capacitance across the
- >power plane is the key, not tying the caps to a given chip.
- >
- >
- >Bob Myers KC0EW Hewlett-Packard Co. |Opinions expressed here are not
- > User Interface Tech. Div.|those of my employer or any other
- >myers@fc.hp.com Fort Collins, Colorado |sentient life-form on this planet.
- Actually, you're both right. The fact is, it depends on several factors. Yes,
- in many cases anywhere in the neighborhodd on the power/ground planes is close
- enough, but for really high frequency / high current / low noise applications,
- you have to do better than 'close enough'. A typical arrangement would be to
- have the cap adjacent to the VCC lead of the IC, connected by a VERY short
- trace. The ground lead from the chip is then connected to the other side of the
- cap, and then to the ground plane. By doing this, the cap is placed as close as
- possible to the point where the chip is drawing current out of the power
- distribution network.
-
- Another point to ponder is that there are resonances to consider. Almost all
- the time this can be ignored, but, IMHO, a resonance in the power system is
- one of the biggest pains in the butt to nail down.
-
- Phillip
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