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- From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
- Newsgroups: talk.environment
- Subject: Re: NEWS: Radioactive Sand Proves Nuclear Reprocessing Unlawful
- Message-ID: <casseres-110992161430@missmolly.apple.com>
- Date: 11 Sep 92 23:17:37 GMT
- References: <Greenpeace.1Sep1992.8am1@naughty-peahen.org> <1992Sep8.190417.29216@oracle.us.oracle.com>
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- In article <1992Sep8.190417.29216@oracle.us.oracle.com>, mfriedma@uucp
- (Michael Friedman) wrote:
- >
- > Gotta love Greenpeace propaganda. See below.
-
- Gotta love Friedman's propaganda; see below.
- >
- > In article <Greenpeace.1Sep1992.8am1@naughty-peahen.org> jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Greenpeace via Jym Dyer) writes:
- > >[Greenpeace Press Release from Greenbase -- Redistribute Freely]
- >
- > >RADIOACTIVE SAND FROM SELLAFIELD PROVES NUCLEAR REPROCESSING IS
- > >UNLAWFUL
- >
- > >GERMANY, August 18, 1992 (GP) In an old bunker in the free port
- > >of Hamburg Greenpeace is today presenting to the press
- > >radioactive sand contaminated with plutonium.
- >
- > How contaminated is it? There is a big defference between detectable
- > levels of contamination and dangerous levels of contamination.
-
- Damn good question. Friedman does not know the answer, but everything in
- his post assumes, without the slightest basis, that the levels are not
- dangerous. How very scientific, Mikey.
-
- > >Sand from the shore
- > >in the area around the Sellafield reprocessing plant in England.
- > >Sand in which children play and families have their picnics.
- >
- > Note the brazen scare tactics.
-
- Apparently they are brazen scare tactics just because Friedman says so,
- since he shows no evidence that the radiation is not dangerous.
-
- > >Many people have become ill with cancer in this region.
- >
- > Of course. Many people have become ill with cancer in every region.
- > Note how the carefully avoid saying that radiation is the cause -
- > being caught in blatant lies is embarrassing.
-
- Of course, if it turned out that the levels are dangerous, then there are
- no blatant lies (except Friedman's).
-
- > >With THORP the total emissions from
- > >plants at Sellafield will increase by 1,000 per cent.
- >
- > 1000 per cent is much scarier than 10 times, even though 10 times is
- > clearer. And so what? If current levels are a million times less
- > than regulatory limits who cares about a ten times increase?
-
- What if they are not a million times less than regulatory limits?
-
- > >Up to 27.5 million curies of radioactivity will then be
- > >released annually. This may be compared with
- > >the approximately 50 million curies which, according to
- > >official data, were released at Chernobyl during the
- > >accident.
- >
- > Now why do I think that something in that paragraph smells fishy?
-
- Beats the shit out of me.
-
- > > The sand Greenpeace is today presenting to the press and
- > >media proves that reprocessing in England contradicts the
- > >German Atomic Energy Act. This stipulates "harmless
- > >recycling" in keeping with "state-of-the-art science and
- > >technology". Given these emissions and contamination there can
- > >be no talk of "harmless recycling".
- >
- > Why not? The Greenpeace press release doen't even mention any hint of
- > harm occurring.
-
- Mikey, if you're going to insist that the levels are harmless you have to
- give us a clue of what the levels ARE. If you can't do that, then you're
- just bloviating, aren't you?
-
- > > Scientists from Bremen University conducting gamma-
- > >spectrometric analyses detected in the samples Greenpeace
- > >took at Sellafield in May up to 9,435 becquerels of caesium 137
- > >and 8,520 becquerels of americium 241 per kilogramme of earth.
- > >Their alpha-spectrometric analyses revealed up to
- > >6,747 becquerels of plutonium 239/40. These analyses were
- > >made on the basis of the samples' weight when wet.
- >
- > Sounds scary, no? But how much is that compared to normal background
- > levels?
-
- Damn fine question. Do you know the answer? Bet you don't.
-
- --
-
- David Casseres
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