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- From: stevens@eatdust (John Stevens)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.abortion.inequity
- Subject: Re: Observations
- Message-ID: <1992Sep10.042326.12937@advtech.uswest.com>
- Date: 10 Sep 92 04:23:26 GMT
- References: <1992Sep01.193909.24105@watson.ibm.com> <1992Sep3.143636.26067@advtech.uswest.com> <1992Sep7.033921.8119@midway.uchicago.edu>
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- In article <1992Sep7.033921.8119@midway.uchicago.edu> eeb1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
- >In article <1992Sep3.143636.26067@advtech.uswest.com>
- >stevens@eatdust (John Stevens) writes:
- >>In article <1992Sep01.193909.24105@watson.ibm.com>
- >>margoli@watson.ibm.com writes:
- >>>In <1992Sep1.165853.11816@advtech.uswest.com>
- >>>stevens@eatdust (John Stevens) writes:
- >
- >Pertinent fact: your "father's consent" wished-for-law ignores the
- >woman's right to control her body,
-
- No, it doesn't. It just creates an exception for the case when the woman
- is making decisions that affect more than just her body.
-
- >since it divides control over her
- >body equally between the two people who have created the z/e/f and
- >ignores the fact that the body is hers.
-
- The body being aborted is not hers.
-
- >Difficult question: doesn't this make this position the most
- >miogynistic position around, as its premises are misogynistic (women
- >don't have a right to control their bodies)?
-
- No.
-
- For the logic impaired, the desire to control does not imply hatred of the
- person being controlled. I control my baby, and I love him more than
- anything else.
-
- >You ... hypocrite!
-
- Smug smile: Thanks, I needed that. Now all you have to do is support
- that accusation. . .
-
- >Child support contracts are unenforcible, which creates an
- >infringement on men's rights, so instead of changing this you want to
- >destroy women's rights to control their bodies?!!
-
- Yup. Once again you use your dirty little fingers to attempt to stuff
- words into my mouth. Watch out, though, I bite.
-
- I have never stated any intention to 'destroy women's rights to control
- their bodies'.
-
- >Excuse me if I think this shows total disregard for women's rights.
-
- I will NOT excuse this childish attempt at a straw man argument! If
- you want to be taken seriously, then start responding to what I say,
- not to what you SAY I've said.
-
- As I suspected, you didn't support that accusation.
-
- >Yes. Both Larry and I have said that child support contracts should
- >be enforcible as a general rule long before you poked your nose into
- >talk.abortion.
-
- Actually, I'm not poking my nose into talk.abortion, I don't even
- subscribe to talk.abortion. Every post on alt.abortion.inequity
- seems to be crost posted to TA, which kinda ivalidates the whole idea
- separate news groups, doesn't it?
-
- >E. Elizabeth Bartley
-
- John
- stevens@uswest.com
-