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- From: kauff@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: The christian perspective...?
- Message-ID: <1992Sep14.231357.23317@ncar.ucar.edu>
- Date: 14 Sep 92 23:13:57 GMT
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- >>> = bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:
- >> = margoli@watson.ibm.com> writes:
- > = eric_gorr@coglab_psych.uoregon.edu (Eric Gorr) writes:
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- >> > a fetus isn't a child. In fact, I personally don't consider a fetus to
- >> > be a person or anything more than a mass of organic tissue until eight
- >> > weeks after conception, at which time the brain and nervous system
- >> > begins to form. Until then, the fetus is incapable of feeling
- >> > pain, and in fact has no consciousness.
-
- >So, am I correct in assuming that a human must be able to feel pain and be
- >recognizably conscious to be a person?
- >If this is not the case, then please explain your position more clearly.
-
- The way read it,
- IF the "brain and nervous system" are sufficiently undeveloped, so that
- consciousness & sensation are impossible,
- THEN a fetus wouldn't be considered a "person", given any reasonable
- definition of "person".
-
- o You don't really think the word "recognizably" has anything to do with
- consciousness prior to 8 weeks, do you?
- o Can you provide a reasonable definition of "person" that doesn't require
- (directly or indirectly) a brain or nervous system?
- o Can you provide a reasonable definition of "person" that doesn't require
- (directly or indirectly) the ability to be conscious?
-
- -Brian
-