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- From: kwelch@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin Welch)
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- Subject: Re: Roe v. Wade and abortion
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- Date: 14 Sep 92 21:04:56 GMT
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- Ron
- >Kevin
- >>>Ron
- >
- >>>Mighty big of you to unilaterally decide what goes on in t.a. I take
- >>>person and human being to mean one and the same thing, unless one starts
- >>>to use them in a fashion to describe things as one of the two for mostly
- >>>emotional reasons, with little validity.
-
- >>A human being can be a person, but a person is not necessarily a human being.
- >>Person is term describing an entity with certain traits. It just so happens
- >>to be that certain human beings (moral sense) happen to be persons.
-
- >I'm glad to see you coming round. In effect, you're saying that not
- >all human beings are persons, and all persons are not human beings.
-
- Yes, that is the general assumption I have.
-
- >In general discussions, I acquiesce to what I perceive to be the general
- >mood on the subject, and that human beings and persons mean the same
- >thing.
-
- You are correct in a sense - sense that there is a moral human being (you, me)
- and a genetic human being (dead human being, fetus).
-
- >I do hold that just because it looks human, talks/walks like
- >a human, and may even think, that it not necessarily is a person. Take
- >Ted Bundy or Jeffery Dahlmer for instance, they are more animal than
- >human (regarding civilized behavior). Take an intelligent chimp or gorilla,
- >they appear more human than animal. Which would you rather have in your
- >house?
-
- Well, the answer is obvious there. But the two human beings are more (ARE)
- persons than are the monkeys.
-
- Persons can waive rights, since they have the ability to conceive and
- understand rights, right from wrong, good from bad ( in most cases). These
- two men waived there rights.
-
- >>>You think so. You've yet to show any reason for this except that there
- >>>is a good chance that they will meet the criteria given time. Baby Theresa
- >>>never made it to this stage, and was merely human, not really a human
- >>>being, although a being that was human. Semantic play.
-
- >>Not correct. Once a human sperm and a human egg unite to form a zygote, that
- >>zygote is classified as a human being. Simple biology, not semantic play.
-
- >Depending on how it is classified, etc, literally, yes. In the context
- >of the previous discussion, no. Hence the semantic play.
-
- Perhaps we should stick to the use of person to describe us and genetic human
- being to refer to fetuses.
-
- >Ron
-
- kcw
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