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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Re: Why the 5 week sentience point?
- Message-ID: <nyikos.716337407@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
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- Organization: USC Department of Computer Science
- References: <brandonu.ca mcbeanb.mail.abortion:12> <1992Sep9.151805.2242@brandonu.ca> <1992Sep9.153955.2244@brandonu.ca>
- Date: 12 Sep 92 22:36:47 GMT
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- In <1992Sep9.153955.2244@brandonu.ca> mcbeanb@brandonu.ca writes:
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- >> In article <brandonu.ca mcbeanb.mail.abortion:12>, nyikos@milo.math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- >>>>
- >>>> I forgot to ask why you choose the onset of sentience as
- >>>> the cutoff point.
- >>>
- >>> Well, to use the colorful words I picked up from one of the networkers
- >>> (Elizabeth Bartley, I think) that's when you can say that "somebody's
- >>> home."
-
- >Well, you can say that, but I haven't an opinion on the matter.
- >But are you saying you have a person 5 weeks after conception?
-
- In the philosophical sense of the word person (=there is somebody home)
- I think there is a good chance there is one very soon thereafter.
-
- >>>> Plants are sentient, so are animals...
- >>>
- >>> The first is sheer speculation. Which part of the plant is the seat
- >>> of sentience? With humans, you will hear it asserted that sentience
- >>> is only associated with the neocortex, which is lacking in most
- >>> animals.
-
- >Animals are generally sentient, neocortex argument or not...
-
- How do you define "animals"? I would not speculate beyond warm-blooded
- animals (mammals, birds, possibly dinosaurs) myself.
-
- Descartes believed there was "nobody home" in any animal except man.
- This is just as unwarranted an assumption as the one people make about
- "nobody home" in fetuses prior to mylenation. An enormous amount of
- very possible suffering can be laid at Descartes's door, only recently
- being rectified in ever-stiffening laws against cruelty to animals.
- How long must we wait until we see laws against cruelty to fetuses?
-
- >Brian McBean - McBeanB@BrandonU.Ca
-
- Peter Nyikos
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