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- From: chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman)
- Subject: Kelly, Tiller, Wichita
- Message-ID: <1992Sep8.195740.23222@pwcs.stpaul.gov>
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- Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:57:40 GMT
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- nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- > chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
- >> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- >>> chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
- >>>> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- >>>>> mills@uga.edu (Kathi Mills) writes:
-
- >>>>>> How many abortion clinics have YOU seen the inside of?
-
- >>>>> None, and that's part of my point: very few people are allowed to see
- >>>>> what goes on. I asked whether Judge Kelly of Wichita, who was so
- >>>>> zealous in guarding Tiller's right to carry on business as usual,
- >>>>> ever got to see the inside of Tiller's clinic. I asked whether any
- >>>>> of the federal marshals who so zealously carried out Kelly's orders,
- >>>>> ever saw an abortion being performed in Tiller's clinic. I'm still
- >>>>> waiting for the answers.
-
- >> you're missing the point
- >> that Judge Kelly upheld Dr. Tiller's right to continue his legal activities
- >> and that the federal marshals are sworn to uphold the law, interpreted in
- >> this case by Judge Kelly.
-
- > The point, in itself, means little. Dred Scott
- > was the law for a while, Jim Crow was the law for a while.
-
- Is that so? Do you mean to say that Judge Kelly and those federal marshals
- are zealously upholding the law because they're rabid pro-choicers, not that
- they took an oath to uphold the law?
-
- > My point went in quite a different direction. Judge Kelly
- > drafted a proposal that would limit pro-lifers to what kind of picketing
- > they could do and still be acceptable to him, and proposed that a neutral
- > party report on "what really goes on in Tiller's clinic," to be
- > accompanied by Operation Rescue types doing "community service", like
- > homophobes being made to attend sensitivity training sessions.
-
- In my reading of the Wichita story, I was unable to find any mention of this
- compromise. Can you direct me to a source for this information?
-
- Btw, I don't see how one could carry out this compromise, because:
-
- 1. The odds for finding a neutral party acceptable to both sides
- seem to be slim-to-none.
-
- 2. Such an 'inspection' holds the risk of a serious violation
- of a patient's privacy rights.
-
- > This was totally unacceptable to Tiller's lawyers. So far as I know, they
- > would never let anyone mentioned by Judge Kelly, who so zealously arranged
- > for arrests and convictions ...
-
- with the arrestees' "cooperation" of course! :-)
-
- > ... to see the inside of the clinic. And maybe not even Kelly himself.
- > Nor any of the marshals.
-
- > Of course, you can all go on believing Tiller had nothing embarrassing
- > to hide. But his activities, while perhaps legal under Kansas law,
- > were still of a sort that most ordinary people find repugnant. Perhaps
- > some pro-choicers here would too, if they saw them, but they never get
- > the chance.
-
- Of course, this speculation that Dr. Tiller has something to hide scores
- zero points on the t.a scoreboard.
-
- Perhaps some pro-lifers would find the threats on Judge Kelly's life to be
- repugnant as well. Or the fact that he felt it necessary to accept the
- protection of federal marshals. And don't you feel uncomfortable living in
- a country where a doctor feels it necessary to wear a bullet-proof vest and
- check his car for bombs every morning?
-
- --
- Chris Lyman / email: chrisl@pwcs.stpaul.gov / #include <std.disclaimers.h>
- Not those mamby pamby wimp liberal "oh dear someone somewhere
- has done something unnice, I'll call the kare bears..." -- drieux
-