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- From: eeb1@ellis.uchicago.edu (e elizabeth bartley)
- Subject: Rob
- Message-ID: <1992Sep6.030712.5393@midway.uchicago.edu>
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- Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
- References: <1992Aug23.000518.18051@midway.uchicago.edu> <1992Aug26.093844.20481@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> <1992Sep2.152423.21573@csus.edu>
- Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 03:07:12 GMT
- Lines: 71
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- In article <1992Sep2.152423.21573@csus.edu>
- chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
- >In article <1992Aug26.093844.20481@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>
- >cswicego@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Cynthia Swicegood) writes:
-
- >>Abortions are wrong! There's no difference between a fetus, a baby, and
- >>an adult, these are just different steps in human development. People
- >>say that a fetus isn't anything because it can't survive outside the
- >>womb, well a baby already born can't survive outside the womb either
- >>unless someone takes care of him/her and feeds him/her. You're talking
- >>about human life, no matter what stage it's at and it's wrong to kill.
- >>Plain and simple.
-
- >Addition: Legal abortion is discrimination.
-
- Eating beef and forbidding canabalism is discrimination. There's
- nothing wrong with "discrimination" per se, the relevant question is
- whether or not the grounds justify the discrimination.
-
- >Welcome, Cynthia.
- >Be seriously aware that pro-aborts will try and slam you off of this
- >newsgroup with super flaming tactics.
-
- Actually, "Cynthia" got taken off talk.abortion not because we were
- flaming "her" but because "she" was really Rob, posting from Cynthia's
- account when she'd only given him permission to read from it.
-
- I don't *think* any of the pro-abortioners bothered to flame "her".
- Not surprising, we only have three, and only Gordon posts regularly.
-
- >My assertion couldn't possibly be too far off; these people flamed
- >one of their own pro-choice friends, named Siren, off of the
- >newsgroup, and she was their most logical and peace-minded ally.
- >(Maybe it was because of that, that she got flamed. For her peaceful
- >attitude, that is.)
-
- Personally, I've only tried to flame three people out of
- talk.abortion: DJR, Cinder (aka Conrad Vincent) and T Costello, and I
- didn't go after any of the three for being pro-choice (though all of
- them were). I went after DJR for personal reasons; he flamed me for
- asking him for clarifications, accusing me of trying to force him into
- one of two absurd positions and deleting text where I asked if he had
- a third position in the process. I went after Cinder for blatant
- anti- Semitism; he'd shown several signs of it and then posted an
- article saying that abortion is worse than the holocaust
- (uncapitalized) in which he referred to abortion as killing fetuses
- and the Holocaust as removing Jews and added that the unborn were
- innocent as if the Jews were somehow guilty.... T Costello said that
- a woman who says she was raped should be assumed guilty of lying until
- proven innocent, talked at length about the 14-year-old in Ireland who
- was raped and almost denied an abortion without showing any sympathy
- for what she was going through, and in general behaved like a pig who
- likes to see women suffer.
-
- I flame people *far* more often for stupidity than I do for their
- position itself, and most of talk.abortion waits for a moment of
- stupidity to attack for whatever reason; having an opening always
- helps.
-
- In any case, I at least didn't flame "Cynthia" because I wanted to rid
- talk.abortion of a pro-lifer but because he was too stupid to tell the
- difference between "no difference" and "no moral difference" and "to
- kill" and "to kill humans".
-
- (Why do you want anybody that stupid for an ally, anyway?)
-
- --
- Pro-Choice Anti-Roe - E. Elizabeth Bartley
- Abortions should be safe, legal, early, and rare.
-
- Cthulhu for President -- when you're tired of voting for the lesser of 2 evils.
-