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- From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez)
- Subject: Re: Computability of the universe
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- Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 18:17:36 GMT
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- In my opinion this fairly pervasive notion that you can only
- "really" measure lengths that are rational numbers is an outdated
- remnant of one of the Greeks' less bright moments. For example:
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- Say we all measured distances with a circular roller that was one foot
- in diameter. (I think they do something like this sometimes.) We
- measure distances by rolling this thing along and counting the number
- of revolutions. Okay, now we are measuring things in units of pi feet.
- If our driveway looks to be 40 revolutions long, our best guess is
- that it's 40pi feet long.
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- Say we all measured distances by taking a meter square and cutting it
- along the diagonal, and holding the diagonal up against what we are
- trying to measure. Now we are measuring things in units of the square
- root of two feet. If we have a book that's as tall as the diagonal of
- the square, our best guess is that it's the square root of two feet long.
-
- To make it even clearer how silly this all is, let's simply take an
- ordinary ruler and DEFINE an inch to be equal to e "Napier's inches".
- Okay, now if we measure something and it looks to be as long as the
- distance between two marks, we say it's e Napier's inches long.
-
- I suspect that this may provoke some arguments from the "rationalists"
- among us. Seeing what the Pythagoreans did to that guy who proved the
- existence of irrationals, maybe I should take out some more life
- insurance. But I insist that if you think about it, irrational
- numbers are just as "real" in the physical world - and just as UNREAL
- - as rational numbers.
-
- You may complain that we never really know that something is EXACTLY
- pi feet long. Well, tough, we never really know that something is
- EXACTLY one foot long. "How about the standard imperial foot, at the
- bottom of King James' leg? That is by DEFINITION exactly one foot
- long." Well, for one, it's constantly changing length. For two,
- using it to measure anything ELSE will always be subject to
- inaccuracies. For three, we could just as well say that the imperial
- foot is exactly the cube root of seven "zorches" long. And for four,
- there is no way to measure anything to be EXACTLY 1239827/47 imperial
- feet long, any more than there is to measure anything to be EXACTLY pi
- imperial feet long. Rationals are nice in many ways, but the idea
- that measurements of lengths always give rational numbers is just
- plain silly.
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