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- From: wvenable@algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au (Bill Venables)
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- Subject: Re: Testing for Normality
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- Date: 14 Sep 92 13:13:53 GMT
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- In-reply-to: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu's message of 13 Sep 92 19:37:55 GMT
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- >>>>> "Herman" == Herman Rubin <hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu> writes:
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- Herman> Even from the classical standpoint, the traditional chi-squared
- Herman> test is wrong. The distribution of the chi-squared statistic
- Herman> should not have the full reduction in degrees of freedom for
- Herman> estimated parameters. This was proved by Chernoff and Lehmann in
- Herman> 1953 for fixed partitions, and by A. R. Roy in his dissertation
- Herman> under me in 1954 for data-defined partitions; the theory using
- Herman> "good" estimators under the null hypothesis shows that it does not
- Herman> matter how the partitions are defined. Some of the papers of D. H.
- Herman> Moore about 1970 provide a readable summary.
-
- That's an interesting point, and I would just like to add a small comment.
- If you reduce the data to panel frequencies and estimate the parameters
- from the resulting multinomial likelihood then the asymptotic chi-squared
- distribution must indeed be correct. The catch is, of course, that no-one
- ever does this, and the reduction to frequencies is not a sufficiency
- reduction, so it would be inefficient so to do.
-
- Herman> For a discussion of testing from a parametric robust Bayesian
- Herman> viewpoint, readers may wish to look at my paper with Sethuraman in
- Herman> Sankhya, 1965, on the subject.
-
- I shall. But I seem dimly to remember a paper by Anscombe on the subject
- in the JRSS(?) yonks ago. Does anyone else recall this? (It may be
- referenced in Herman's paper, of course; I think Anscombe was pre 1965.)
-
- Herman> But one thing to keep in mind--the higher the dimension, the more
- Herman> important the assumptions.
-
- Amen.
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