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- From: holmes@opal.idbsu.edu (Randall Holmes)
- Subject: Re: Proof of God's Existence
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- Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:41:28 GMT
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- Please note that the existence of the set of all natural numbers is
- sanctioned by one of the Fathers of the Church. Note the use of
- theological concepts to attack a set-theoretic problem. But,
- seriously, Augustine says some very modern things in this passage if
- you think about it. From St. Augustine, _the City of God_:
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- 19. The answer to the allegation that even God's knowledge cannot
- embrace an infinity of things.
-
- Then there is the assertion that even God's foreknowledge annot
- embrace things which are infinite. If men say this, it only remains
- for them to plunge into the depths of blasphemy by daring to allege
- that God does not know all numbers. It is certainly true that numbers
- are infinite. If you think to make an end with any number, then that
- number can be increased by the addition of one. More than that,
- however large it is, however great the quantity it expresses, it can
- be doubled; in fact, it can be multiplied by any number, according to
- the very principle and science of numbers.
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- Every number is defined by its own unique character, so that no number
- is equal to any other. They are all unequal to one another and
- different, and the individual numbers are finite, but as a class they
- are infinite. Does that mean that God does not know all numbers,
- because of their infinity? Does God's knowledge extend as far as a
- certain sum, and end there? No one could be insane enough to say
- that.
-
- Now those philosophers who revere the authority of Plato will not dare
- to despise numbers and say that they are irrelevant to God's
- knowledge. For Plato emphasizes that God constructed the world by the
- use of numbers, while we have the authority of Scripture, where God is
- thus addressed, "You have set in order all things by number, measure,
- and weight". And the prophet says of God "He produces the world
- according to number"; and the Saviour says in the Gospel, "Your hairs
- are all numbered".
-
- Never let us doubt, then, that every number is known to him 'whose
- understanding cannot be numbered'. Although the infinite series of
- numbers cannot be numbered, this infinity of numbers is not outside
- the comprehension of him 'whose understanding cannot be numbered'.
- And so, if what is comprehended in knowledge is bounded within the
- embrace of that knowledge, and thus is finite, it must follow that
- every infinity is, in a way we cannot express, made finite to God,
- because it cannot be beyond the embrace of his knowledge.
-
- St. Augustine,
- _the City of God_,
- Book XII, ch. 19,
- pp. 496-7 (Pelican paperback)
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- The opinions expressed | --Sincerely,
- above are not the "official" | M. Randall Holmes
- opinions of any person | Math. Dept., Boise State Univ.
- or institution. | holmes@opal.idbsu.edu
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