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- From: holmes@opal.idbsu.edu (Randall Holmes)
- Subject: Re: Set of all sets
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- Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:50:51 GMT
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- In article <1992Sep7.225943.23043@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk (G.J. McCaughan) writes:
- >In article <1992Sep7.062552.21596@guinness.idbsu.edu> holmes@opal.idbsu.edu (Randall Holmes) writes:
- >
- >> A brief remark: I do know that the consistency of ZFC is itself open
- >> to doubt. I agree that one can equally well start working in NF with
- >> faith in one's heart as we already can in ZFC. But to start working
- >> in NF, we must give up the Axiom of Choice; this is the real problem
- >> from my standpoint. I have other reasons for doubting the naturalness
- >> of NF (but not of NFU) which are not ready for publication.
- >
- >Hmm. I don't know much about what is and isn't consistent with NF.
- >Is Dependent Choice consistent with NF? That would satisfy many of us,
- >perhaps including some who don't like the Axiom of Choice in all its
- >--
-
- The strongest version of Dependent Choice is false in NF, but
- there is a weaker version adequate for practical purposes which
- appears to be OK. The problem is that we do not have good techniques
- for proving relative consistency results for NF; we do not even know
- if denumerable choice or "the real numbers can be well-ordered" are
- consistent to adjoin to NF, although we do not see any reason to doubt
- this.
-
- --
- The opinions expressed | --Sincerely,
- above are not the "official" | M. Randall Holmes
- opinions of any person | Math. Dept., Boise State Univ.
- or institution. | holmes@opal.idbsu.edu
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