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- From: cxm7@po.CWRU.Edu (Colin Mclarty)
- Newsgroups: sci.logic
- Subject: Re: Set of all sets + correcting MZ's syntax
- Date: 6 Sep 1992 18:11:55 GMT
- Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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- In a previous article, ziane@nuri.inria.fr (ziane mikal -) says:
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- (much else deleted)
- >
- >Also, I don't know anything yet about categories. I have heard
- >though that the category of all the categories is not a pb.
- >Does category theory have similar paradoxes though ?
- >
- >
- >Mikal Ziane.
- >
-
- The category of categories is an open problem. Set theoretic
- approaches to it are not promising. I have a tiny note in _JSL_ _57_
- (pp.555-6) showing in effect that if you define categories set
- theoretically in a set theory which includes a set of all sets, then
- you can get an actual category of all categories but it will have
- such terrible properties as to be useless. (That does not mean that
- set theoretic considerations can not bear on the question, but
- straightforward set theory will not solve it.)
-
- The category of categories can be approached categorically too.
- The classic source is by Lawvere, "The category of categories as
- a foundation for mathematics" in _Proc. of the La Jolla conference on
- Categorical Algebra", Springer-Verlag 1966 (pp.1-20). More recently
- there is my own "Axiomatizing a category of categories" in _JSL__56_
- (pp.1243-60). Both briefly discuss what would be needed for "a
- category of ALL categories".
-
- On a categorical approach a "category of ALL categories"
- would presumably use Benabou's approach via fibrations (see Benabou
- "Fibered categories and the foundations of naive category theory"
- _JSL__50_ pp.10-37). It would require a kind of universal fibration.
- It would require a universe of categories and functions, one of whose
- functors was a fibration such that:
-
- Every category in that universe is a fiber of that fibration
-
- Every functor in that universe appears as the functor
- between fibers induced by some arrow of the base
- of the fibration.
-
- That second condition seems to me to want an elegant statement, and I
- don't have one for it.
-
- It seems very unlikely that such a "category of all
- categories" will give anything like a Russell's paradox--in part
- because we never say EXACTLY WHAT any category is MADE OF. Such
- talk is nonsense on a categorical account. So we can not define
- a paradoxical category by giving an impossible requirement on the
- categories and functors it should be MADE OF, the way we do for
- elements of the Russell set.
-
- Such a fibration might lead to some kind of cardinality
- paradox. I am inclined to doubt it. But I will speculate no more
- here. The problem remains open--even as to its exact statment.
-
- Colin McLarty
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