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- From: tonya@hpldsla.sid.hp.com (Tony Arnerich)
- Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:30:39 GMT
- Subject: Re: Try this with your DMM
- Message-ID: <76160029@hpldsla.sid.hp.com>
- Organization: HP Scientific Instruments Division - Palo Alto, CA
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- Mark-Tarbell@suite.com writes:
-
- > Have you ever tried to get a DMM to measure its own battery voltage?
-
- > It seems that one must decouple the input from the battery terminals,
- > but there must be a trick to it (I'm using a .01mfd disc cap).
-
- It won't pass DC in series configuration. Used in parallel, it might
- help filter out any aliasing that might occur as the power demands
- on the battery shift during the integration period.
-
- > What happens is that the display cycles +/- 2 volts around the true
- > value, but never settles down, seeming to indicate a ground loop.
-
- > Any ideas?
-
- I recently bought some low-voltage detector/warning chips from Digi-Key
- (still waiting on them, back-ordered), that run off the voltage that
- they are sensing. Until I got the data sheet, I wondered how they'd
- deal with the very big problem of what to compare the voltage to. After
- all, everything is shifting as the voltage drops.
-
- It's very simple: there's an on-board regulator to run the chip, which
- of course sets a lower limit of the voltage you want to monitor. There's
- also a very stable 1.3V reference inside the chip, which is compared
- to an external resistor divider that you design. Now the chip can run
- accurately off a voltage lower than the sense setpoint.
-
- If you use a divider and probe that point, you will be measuring a
- voltage closer to the battery (-): previously, you tried to measure
- battery (+). Your errors probably won't disappear, but they will be
- different. It will be a trade-off between dividing the error and
- approaching the LSB of the display.
-
- For better isolation, you might need to increase the input impedance of
- the DMM, perhaps with an op-amp.
-
- tonya@hpldsla.sid.hp.com
-