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- From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
- Subject: Re: A/C manifold gauges question
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- Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 03:16:26 GMT
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- plumpe@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Plumpe) writes:
-
- > I generally keep track of refrigerant levels in both my car and
- >house A/C by feeling the temperature of the suction line where it leaves
- >the evaporator.
-
- > When adding refrigerant, I do it through a gage set, but use the above
- >"feels good" method to tell me when enough's enough.
-
- > Is there anything wrong with what I'm doing (and have done for ~20
- >years)?
-
-
- It only tells you the system condition in the broadest terms and then
- only under certain conditions. For example, if the heat load is mild,
- the suction line will sweat even if the system is low on refrigerant.
- It will also sweat if the humidity is high. The line will start sweating
- before the system is fully charged and will not stop sweating until the system
- is grossly overcharged. As an excess of refrigerant is added, the condenser
- will start filling up. As it does, the available condensing surface is
- reduced, the temperature and therefore the pressure rises. Only when the
- pressure rises to the point where the compressor loses efficiency, the
- liquid remains hot enough to affect the evaporator or the high pressure
- cutout operates will the suction line stop sweating. The situation gets
- even more complicated when you start to consider the modern design that
- typically has some kind of suction line control valve such as a POA (Pilot
- Operated Absolute) valve that regulates the evaporator pressure.
-
- Older systems with lots of receiver capacity and large bore liquid lines
- are much more tolerant to overcharging. Newer systems that run with
- minimal refrigerant are much less tolerant. Example. The 68 Fury III
- I just bought specifies 3.5 lbs of freon. My wife's toyota specifies
- 14 ounces. Both cool about the same. I stuck an extra half pound of freon
- in the Fury because I knew it would be stored in the receiver. The only
- receiver on the Toyota is the volume of the liquid line so any extra
- refrigerant fills up the bottom of the condenser and reduces its efficiency.
-
- I look on the "feel" method as I do tuning an engine by ear. It'll get you
- in the ballpark but for optimum performance you have to instrument. If you're
- working on an older system and using a 14 oz blowoff can, you'll have to
- work to screw it up regardless. Dumping that same blowoff can in a modern
- system that doesn't need it will at least reduce the efficiency and may
- cause the high pressure cutout to operate. Since blowoff cans are
- history, you'll no longer have that safety margin as you work with a 30 lb
- can. It's trivially easy to dump in too much refrigerant from one of
- these.
-
- John
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