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- From: jimo@navaho.uucp (25656-o'keefe)
- Subject: Vibration (drivetrain modification)
- Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
- Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 16:07:14 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Sep10.160714.3616@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
- Keywords: auto, repair, vibration, modification
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- This is follow-up to a problem that I posted several weeks ago!
-
- The problem I posted was:
-
- I have an 87' Chevy G20 Conversion Van, 3 spd trans, 7.5" rear. I
- experience vibration both on acceleration to 25 MPH (increases with
- torque) and above 45MPH (continuous; even when coasting in neutral).
- This vibration is felt thru the entire van.
-
- ((( Thanks to all those who offered there good suggestions )))
-
- Tests and repairs made to isolate the fault:
-
- - Dynamically balanced all tires (tires/rims inspected for runout)
- - Trans test-driven and inspected
- - Replaced one of the rear outer bearings (the noiser one)
- - While the rear was open, visually inspected diff. and both axles
- - Replaced drive shaft (split-shaft) support bearing and all u-joints
-
- ** The vibration persisted after all above was done and checked **
-
- Problem isolation and temporary work-around:
-
- ((( sorry for the long story )))
-
- Tuesday (9/8), I took the van to a drive shaft specialty shop to have
- the drive shaft inspected and dynamically balanced. The mechanic
- checked both shafts for balance and run-out and said that my drive shaft
- was good (although he noticed a slight run-out on the small shaft). He
- felt that the vibration was NOT due to the shaft but rather, the two-piece
- drive shaft was AMPLIFYING some excess play in the rear. He recommended
- that I allow him to fabricate a new ONE-PIECE drive shaft because this
- would isolate the van chassis from the drivetrain. I asked him if this
- would cause ANY problems and he said no. But when he began to install
- the new shaft, he discovered that the new shaft (larger circumference)
- wouldn't adequately clear the cross-member (where the support bearing is
- bolted). He wanted me to agree to let him cut a half-moon opening in
- the cross-member to provide enough clearance. This, of course, would
- have effectively and permanently prevented me from going back to the
- original two-piece design.
-
- Rather than rush into this decision, I asked him to let me drive with
- the new shaft for a few days. I've driven it for two days now and have
- confirmed that the one-piece HAS eliminated all of the vibration. I must
- decide soon because the shaft clearance is too small to accomodate a
- full load (6 people) and road bumps.
-
-
- The dilemma:
-
- I asked him to fix it; and he did; but the fix may cause me more
- problems down the road. One problem, I already see, is that the rear
- trans seal is leaking pretty bad now (it had been leaking somewhat since
- I've had the drive shaft rebuilt earlier.) I understand replacing this
- seal is relatively easy but will the one-piece shaft continue to put an
- excessive load on the trans due to the spindle travel? He gave me my
- old drive shaft, so that I can go back to original design but he
- insists that the vibration will return and his one-piece is my BEST fix.
- I'm now confident that the vibration is coming from the old shaft and
- may be due to the rear-end play and/or the old shaft.
-
- Question:
-
- Which way would you go? Keep the one-piece, cut-out the cross-member and
- replace the trans seal? Or, try used driveshafts and/or have the rear
- rebuilt? I realize this could be thought of as an issue of stock vs
- custom.
-
- All thoughts welcome, but opinions from any GM experts or people
- with similar conversions would be appreciated.
-
- Thanks
- Jim O'Keefe
- (908)699-3810
-