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- From: rakoczynskij@gtephx.UUCP (Jurek Rakoczynski)
- Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
- Subject: Re: A/C manifold gauges question
- Message-ID: <1992Sep9.230529.19206@gtephx.UUCP>
- Date: 9 Sep 92 23:05:29 GMT
- References: <1992Sep8.180404.16346@gtephx.UUCP> <1992Sep9.195545.4121@newsgate.sps.mot.com>
- Organization: AG Communication Systems, Phoenix, Arizona
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- In article <1992Sep9.195545.4121@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw) writes:
- >
- > I concur with James Swonger's comments on A/C gage pressures and diagnosis. The inner
- > R12 scale can also be used for a quick charge check. That scale basically indicates the
- > temperature of R12 that would give that pressure reading.
- >
- > In the early morning a car usually has had time to cool down to ambient temperature overnight
- > and it is not yet being heated up by the sun. Threfore the ambient temperature is usually the
- > same as the temperature of the A/C system. If you connect the gage at this time, the inner R12
- > reading should match the ambient temperature if your have a sufficient charge.
-
- I agree on this part. I used the pressure reading (on the wrong
- scale, I used air, not R12) when the car was off to get the air
- ambient temp. But I think your next paragraph is misleading.
-
- > If the indicated R12 temperature is less, you are undercharged. If the indicated R12
- > temperature is more, you are overcharged. Rather simple and you don't have to deal with
- > those higher running pressures. This method is not precise (doesn't actually tell how much
- > freon to add/subtract) but is the next best thing to watching a sight glass for bubbles.
-
- The R12 pressure (or is temperature the correct word?) in a
- non-operating system should be the same no matter what the total
- charge is, as long as there is still liquid R12 in the system. For
- example, the pressure in a propane tank will read the same at a given
- temperature no matter how much propane is actually in the tank.
- That's why you can't used static pressure as a charge indicator.
-
- BTW, The vehicle is a `83 Chevy Suburban, CCOT A/C w/o the rear A/C
- evaporator. As for my problem, if I adjust my readings from memory
- to the correct scale, at ~105F, I was reading ~300psi high side, and
- ~55psi low side. I could not get the low side below ~55psi without
- the system being undercharged; the evaporator inlet and accumulator
- outlet were warm. This is even after I replaced the fan thermal
- clutch with a solid adapter from NAPA.
-
- With my new_found knowledge, I'll put the gauges on this weekend and
- try again.
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