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- From: kester@mte.ncsu.edu (Dan Kester)
- Subject: Re: Very expensive cables
- Message-ID: <1992Sep15.160211.24551@ncsu.edu>
- Sender: news@ncsu.edu (USENET News System)
- Organization: Mat. Sci. & Eng., NCSU
- References: <1992Sep9.181941.13496@ncsu.edu> <1992Sep10.151345.20375@sei.cmu.edu>
- Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:02:11 GMT
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- The cable controversy (do different cables sound different) makes me think of
- an account (excuse me if the details are wrong) about the Royal Academy in
- England during the 1600's, or thereabouts. They were debating the issue of how
- many teeth a horse has. The debate went on for a long time, based on all the
- knowledge and theories they had acquired in their studies, yet could not be
- resolved. Did anyone go out and look in a horse's mouth? Of course not, these
- were scientists, not farmers! They didn't need to look at horses, they had
- books!
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- The methodology of those engineers who use electromagnetic theory to "prove"
- that audible differences in cables can't exist, seems quite similar!
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- Since the whole purpose of hi-fi equipment is to make it possible to listen to
- recorded music, then isn't how that music sounds the only significant issue?
- If different cables sound different, then they sound different. The engineers
- and scientists should spend their time trying to figure out why they sound
- different, not trying to prove that they don't!
-
- A comment on listening: Everyone on either side of this discussion seems to
- agree that psychology plays a role in hearing. Therefore to test cables, the
- listener should be in a "psychologically comfortable" situation, i.e. if the
- issue is how do cables sound on his/her stereo at home, that should be where
- they are tested. I have a much harder time listening to differences between
- components at a stereo store with a salesman watching me, hoping I'll buy
- something, than I do at home, listening to a stereo and to music I am familiar
- with. This is a problem with A/B/X type tests. If there is someone with a
- clipboard behind a curtain switching cables, demanding answers on whether or
- not you hear a difference, that is not the same experience as being alone,
- listening to a cable, and after a while switching the cable, and no one caring
- whether or not you hear a difference. In my experience I hear very clear,
- repeatable differences. So I have a problem with engineers telling me that
- based on electromagnetic theory I don't really hear any difference!
-
- A few years ago, the same discussions took place about amplifiers. (Also CD
- players). The engineers claimed that based on engineering theory, there were
- no sonic differences if there were no measurable differences. That claim seems
- to be rarely heard any more. Either the whole audio listening community has
- been brainwashed by amp manufacturer's claims, or else people have actually
- listened to different amps and heard real differences.
-
- So I repeat my previous question (from an earlier posting): Have those
- engineers who claim there are no differences actually tried to hear if there
- are any? Go to a high end store and borrow two pairs of good cables with
- different sonic characteristics (ask the people in the store for
- recommendations). Then go home and listen on a good stereo system. You may be
- surprised. Remember: Almost everyone who claims there are differences (myself
- included) probably started out believing that there were none. Unlike the
- members of the Royal Society, we tried the experimental method and listened for
- ourselves!
-
- Dan Kester
- kester@mte.ncsu.edu
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