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- From: rsd@sei.cmu.edu (Richard S D'Ippolito)
- Subject: Re: Inverting buffer?
- Message-ID: <1992Sep10.155759.23054@sei.cmu.edu>
- Keywords: inverting buffer
- Sender: netnews@sei.cmu.edu (Netnews)
- Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
- References: <1992Sep10.012158.5817@cbnews.cb.att.com>
- Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:57:59 GMT
- Lines: 77
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- In article <1992Sep10.012158.5817@cbnews.cb.att.com>, Keith Brummett asks:
-
-
- |> A lot of folks have been playing with buffered-volume-control preamps
- |> (a la Aunt Corey's) lately. Most of the schematics I've seen show the
- |> buffer to be an op-amp configured for unity gain with no resistors in
- |> the input (R1) or feedback (R2) paths. I.e.:
- |>
- |> ______________
- |> | __ |
- |> |____| \ |
- |> | - \____|____ Out
- |> In ___________| + /
- |> |__/
- |>
- |> My question is, can one make a similar unity-gain INVERTING buffer, e.g:
- |>
- |> ______________
- |> | __ |
- |> In ______|____| \ |
- |> | - \____|____ Out
- |> ____| + /
- |> _|__ |__/
- |> ///
- |>
- |> I can't seem to find any example of such an inverting buffer anywhere
- |> (one using no resistors, that is). And, a Radio Shack engineering book
- |> claims that with the resistors, the gain is (1 + R2/R1), whereas the
- |> gain of the similar non-inverting buffer is just (R2/R1). If this is
- |> true, how does one make a unity-gain, inverting buffer?
-
-
- Well, Keith, I was going to refer you to the well-known folks on rec.audio who
- think we don't learn anything useful in engineering school, but that isn't
- fair to a non-participant. So, I will answer your honest request for
- information:
-
- You need to find negative resistors -- these are the ones with the ultraviolet
- fifth color band. Can you borrow a portable geologist's UV lamp to take with
- you to Radio Shack?
-
-
- Naw, seriously, you've got it backwards above. If you want a voltage output
- in the inverting configuration, you'll need equal resistors, as the gain is
- R-feedback divided by R-input. The input resistance is simply R-input, as the
- inverting input (-) in the second circuit above is a virtual ground (i.e., is
- held - within limits - to the same potential as the (+) input.) Note that
- without a feedback resistor, the output will always be at the same potential
- as the (-) terminal for any feedback current. Note also that the op-amp will
- place an effective short on your input (voltage source) without an input
- resistor. You have to get used to thinking of these things as current
- balancers.
-
- Please check your book again -- I think you simply misapplied text to the
- wrong diagram.
-
- I hesitate to recommend what use to be the industry bible on op-amps, the
- Burr-Brown book, as it contains serious errors which have tripped up many an
- EE student. Perhaps others can suggest a saner, more intelligent text which
- has replaced it, thus reassuring me that hope is sometimes rewarded with
- progress.
-
-
- Rich
-
-
- PS: You _can_ create negative impedances with active (but not passive*)
- devices, so one op-amp could present a negative resistance to another.
-
- * Don't bother calling the patent office with one of these.
-
-
- "Please keep in mind that the ultimate goal [of hi-fi] is the
- reproduction of art, and that the invocation of science, while a neat
- parlour trick, is often unnecessary, flawed, and unreasonable."
- -- name mercifully withheld... rsd@sei.cmu.edu
-