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- From: mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown)
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- Subject: Re: Are you sure UNIX is a trade mark?
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- Date: 9 Sep 92 21:06:27 GMT
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- >In article <Bu5DBu.IA6@rahul.net> dhesi@rahul.net (Rahul Dhesi) writes:
- >Let me quote from AT&T's "UNIX SYSTEM V RELEASE 4 BSD/XENIX
- >compatibility Guide", which has an AT&T logo on the cover. My copy has
- >ISBN 0-13-933664-8. On page 1 we find:
-
- > UNIX System V Release 4.0 is, among other things, a merge of UNIX
- > System V with the enhanced BSD UNIX Operating System. (BSD UNIX is
- > also known as "Berkeley UNIX.")
-
- >AT&T is correct. BSD UNIX is indeed also known as "Berkeley UNIX."
- >(And this implicitly admits that BSD is also known as "BSD UNIX.")
-
- >The terms "BSD UNIX" and "Berkeley UNIX" have come into common use.
- >Note that "UNIX" is a noun and "BSD" or "Berkeley" is a qualifier. A
- >trade mark, under US law, cannot be a noun. As soon as it becomes a
- >noun in common usage, its trade mark status is in jeopardy.
-
- >I'll make you a deal. Give me the same legal budget that AT&T has. If
- >I can't prove in court that UNIX is no longer a trade mark, I will
- >paint my head yellow.
-
- If you use this quote as your primary exhibit, have that yellow paint handy.
-
- "BSD UNIX" in this instance is used as a compound modifier to "Operating
- System" as in "what kind of operating system? BSD UNIX Operating System."
-
- At worst, it could be argued to be a proper noun in the second sentence, and
- therefore not a "noun in common usage".
-
- I'd be willing to take the yellow-head challenge that somewhere prior to
- this quote, maybe on the cover or title page, you will see a trademark
- notification for UNIX either as a registered trademark of Unix Labs, or
- if the book is older, as a trademark of ATT.
-
- This, I believe, is what really counts. The ability of a company to
- protect its 'property" rests upon its usage and its aggressive defense
- of proper usage by others. In other words, if you publish a UNIX book
- without once giving ATT/USL its due, they can sue to protect the trade-
- mark, after asking you to correct or withdraw the faulty usage. In that
- case, every piece of correspondence would strengthen their case.
-
- If, over time, it can be proved that they have not suitably prot-
- ected their trademarks, then the common usage stuff comes into play.
- I am pretty sure that just showing scattered instances where they did not
- defend won't work if they have selectively pursued enough other infringements.
-
- Now, I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not pretending to be one, but from what
- I have seen, ATT would win, unless they decided it wasn't worth the
- legal fees to match you dollar for dollar. They might even get the
- case thrown out as frivolous, unless you could show that an action of
- theirs had caused you physical or monetary damages. Then you would pay
- a fine and their fees.
-
- Matt
- I will gladly defer to an expert legal opinion in this, but I haven't seen
- one yet (and I might have missed it, not having read all posts in all above
- groups. So educate me).
-