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- From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
- Subject: Re: AT&T Long Distance Boycott (was: BNR2SS, Mach, and The Lawsuit)
- Message-ID: <NQ3JI7G@taronga.com>
- Organization: Taronga Park BBS
- References: <1992Sep07.101851.2123@kithrup.COM> <QA2J6LM@taronga.com> <1992Sep08.085437.419@kithrup.COM>
- Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:46:24 GMT
- Lines: 44
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- In article <1992Sep08.085437.419@kithrup.COM> sef@kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan) writes:
- >In article <QA2J6LM@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
- >>Sorry, if you have to provide your own termcap you're back where you started:
-
- [silly "if you have to provide..." lines deleted]
-
- >The termcap library is *SMALL*.
-
- And it's (more importantly) standard. If it had to be provided by every
- application it wouldn't be.
-
- >It's better if it's on every system, but
- >it's small enough that it can be provided as part of your application and
- >not be terribly visible. Emacs does that, or did at one point (although
- >emacs is not something I like using as an example).
-
- Proof. Emacs uses its own terminal independence database. So does every
- editor on CP/M, where Termcap isn't a standard. So you have to configure
- every application independently. "Oh", you say "termcap is so standard
- now nobody would ever do that". Not so. AT&T did.
-
- THAT is the point of having, and providing, a standard set of interfaces.
-
- POSIX wimped out on too much of the API, and what remains isn't enough.
-
- >1. Pnews and Rnmail work quite well with 1003.2 utilities.
-
- Mail isn't part of 1003.2.
-
- >3. As for mail, tell you what, Peter: why don't you come up with a mail
- >system (reader, sender, interface, system-to-system interface, file format,
- >filesystem layout, etc.) that can work on all systems, and then I'll add the
- >code to t?rn to support that.
-
- I don't need to. It already exists. The name varies slightly (rmail/smail/
- sendmail) but the *interface* is pretty much standard.
-
- I don't know why you're taking this position, that basic things like
- termcap and mail are optional. They're not.
- --
- `-_-'
- Have you hugged your wolf today? 'U`
-
- Peter da Silva, Taronga Park BBS, Houston, TX +1 713 568 0480/1032
-