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- From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
- Subject: Re: PasteUp vs PageMaker vs Quark (RTF)
- Message-ID: <1992Sep15.032751.14983@cube.handheld.com>
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- Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
- References: <SCOTT.92Sep14054554@nic.gac.edu>
- Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:27:51 GMT
- Lines: 104
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- In article <SCOTT.92Sep14054554@nic.gac.edu> writes:
- > What's your point? This is a NeXT newsgroup, but ... did NeXT
- > start it? No.
-
- Well, NeXT caused it.
-
- > Does NeXT post advertising to it? No.
-
- Funny, I've seen posts that qualify as advertisement from NeXT.
-
- > Does NeXT
- > post at _all_ to it? Well, given the relative sizes of RightBrain
- > and NeXT, and the amounts of information that they post, the answer
- > there is really awful close to "No" again. If NeXT had the same
- > number of bytes-per-employee posted to the net as RightBrain does,
- > then there wouldn't be any room for the rest of us! :-).
-
- So, bytes-per-employee is now the measure. Interesting.
-
- >
- > The operative words are that "_We_ push NeXT sales". Not NeXT.
- > It's the consumer who's doing it. At least in my case, I wouldn't
- > have complained at all if someone unrelated business-wise to
- > RightBrain had posted the exact same information after developing
- > it on their own.
- >
- Odd, advertising, if not originated by the maker, is not advertising.
- You make a good case for the "friends of Bush/Clinton" non-political ads.
-
- > Also, I feel the need to make an important point - except for a
- > select few, the majority of the NeXT vendors have virtually _no_
- > net.presence. But, most of them _do_ read news. I wonder what
- > they know that they aren't sharing with the rest of us?
- >
- Speculation.
-
- > In a similar vein, have you noticed that almost without fail
- > employees of large computer firms do not post anything but
- > informational, question-answering type posts? They almost _never_
- > initiate a thread.
- >
- Your point?
-
- > And in yet _another_ similar vein, have you noticed that magazines
- > don't allow companies to review their own products nor their
- > competitor's products?
-
- No, I never noticed that was a policy. I've certainly seen exceptions, if it
- is.
-
- > Weird ... [Of course, I'd better point out
- > that in this case it sounded very much like the company _wasn't_
- > letting the employee post the review, which makes things a little
- > better.]
- >
- A typical Reynoldism. Not to be taken seriously.
-
- > >And he ain't taking any orders here, folks. No mention of price
- > >at all.
- >
- > They didn't mention prices in their Fall 1992 NeXTWorld centerfold,
- > either. Does this mean that NeXTWorld didn't charge them anything?
- >
-
- How does this relate to anything?
-
- > NOT!
- >
- Wow, a nineties kind of guy! "Groovy" would be the correct responsive
- reading, I assume?
-
- > An ad is an ad is an ad, regardless of presence of pricing information.
- > This is part of why we have a debate about pricing in csn.announce.
- > [Most people, of course, think it's a question of whether we should
- > include prices. What if it's a question about whether the ads
- > should be there in the first place? :-)]
- >
-
- And, as I've said before, csn* can easily be seen as an ad. Look up
- "advertisement", it mentions nothing about the source thereof.
-
-
- > >Fortunately, it seems to me (as always, my opinion only) that the
- > >complainers, while they are loud, are always the same select few.
- > >
- > >And I admit I am a loud proponent, there needs to be balance in
- > >the 'coverage'
- >
- > :-). And, you never know - perhaps there's an even larger, silenter
- > majority out there who really doesn't give a d*mn. [Somehow, I
- > suspect I just stated an axiom, at least in this day and age.]
- >
- > Later,
- > --
- > scott hess <shess@ssesco.com> <A port is a port, of course, of course>
- > 12901 Upton Avenue South, #326 Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
- > <You praise me with faint damns, the dragon growled. -Castle Roogna, Xanth>
-
- My point is/was/will be that it is not black and white, and when you try to
- draw a line in grey, you will not do it cleanly. No one is pure as the driven
- snow, we all have our agendas, and so no one can be considered impartial enough
- to be the final judge.
-
- Jim
-