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- From: eletanjm@nuscc.nus.sg (TAN JIN MENG)
- Subject: Re: Confused??? 486DX
- Message-ID: <1992Sep14.003955.9095@nuscc.nus.sg>
- Organization: National University of Singapore
- References: <1992Sep12.040101.3180@ksmith.uucp>
- Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:39:55 GMT
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- keith@ksmith.uucp (Keith Smith) writes:
- : In article <1992Sep10.034104.9879@nuscc.nus.sg> eletanjm@nuscc.nus.sg (TAN JIN MENG) writes:
- : >davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen) writes:
- : >: In article <14409@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au>, s923257@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Chew Ming Ean) writes:
- : [...]
- : >
- : >:
- : >: I use both ISA and EISA, and EISA config is a royal pain in the ...
- : >: ear. Under normal single user load, and particularly with DOS, you will
- : >: be able to measure the boost, but probably not feel it.
- : >
- : >Yep. With DOS - not much diff in the normal case. One the other hand,
- : >OS/2 and NT (and Solaris , and NextStep) are coming up. You might want
- : >to get a [real man's OS ;-)] capable machine.
- :
- : Not much real difference there either. Most people don't buy SCSI-II
- : disk arrays and such so the bus is not really a bottleneck. Expect to
- : see onboard graphics stuff soon, and local bus for video, *OR* video
- : coprocessor cards (My clone Distributor sells 2 now for Windows) that
- : will again reduce the ISA bus bottleneck's significance.
- It is a bottle neck (in terms of disk storage) when you have Virtual
- memory and not that much physical memory. Local bus is also non standard
- and expensive (presently). EISA video would be (currently) a much
- cheaper method of obtaining high bandwidth for video. Note that you say
- ISA is no real bottleneck and in the same breadth you mention local bus;-).
- :
- : >
- : >One of the very real limitations regards these 32bit OSes that has been
- : >exposed by OS/2 is the 16MB physical addressing limitation of the ISA
- : >bus. ie. the DMA controllers can only access up to 16MB of physical
- : >memory. OS/2 on [most] ISA machines therefore uses only the bottom 16MB
- : >for process memory and any memory above that for page cache!
- : >
- :
- : Nah, OS/2 is just broken in this respect then. SCO & I beleive SVR4
- : reserve RAM <16MB for ISA DMA and copy up if need be. Pretty simple
- : concept here IMHO. Then you can CRAM as much RAM as you want in the box
- : and still use ISA controllers. Again, The bottlenecks aren't the BUS,
- : but generally the DISKS themselves.
- OS/2 does use memory >16MB. It just uses it differently. In a sense, SCO
- (and NT for that matter) use the above 16MB space as a "Process memory
- cache" since they would have to copy up/down everytime there is a swap
- that involves a page above 16MB. OS/2 uses the space above 16MB as a
- simple cache for pages. In both cases, you still have to do copying
- to/from the >16MB limit.
- :
- : >: bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
- : >: I admit that when I was in school I wrote COBOL. But I didn't compile.
- : >
- : >jin meng
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-
- jin meng
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