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- From: xm9@sdcc12.ucsd.edu (richard g. adair)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
- Subject: Re: HP-UX 9.0
- Summary: SYSV roots?
- Keywords: SUN and HP
- Message-ID: <37718@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>
- Date: 5 Sep 92 14:11:20 GMT
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- In article <HARDY.92Sep2205331@golem.ps.uci.edu> hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) writes:
-
- >?? but wonder if HP isn't drifiting back to it's SYSV roots...
-
- One wonders if the ideal driving the OSF operating system is still
- valid. Originally, the OSF operating system was proposed to make
- some sense out of the SYSV/BSD mismatch of UNIX operating systems
- (Since the government insisted, plus the vendors saw FINALLY
- that DOS was really the enemy :-) Actually, the fight was between
- SUNATT and HPDECIBMSGIETC. It appears now that SUN, being
- disqualified for one too many government contracts, has recanted
- their BSD origins and has brought out a SYSV kernel (I just got it,
- and it has a whole book about problems/changes), SYSV print spooler
- and all. In actuality, there is now only one UNIX, as far as an
- administrator can tell. This is extremely healthy for UNIX if it
- wants to survive ten more years (and HP for that matter. HP may
- want Bill Gates' market share, but the reverse is true. Plus, ol'
- Bill could buy HP if he wanted out of pocket change :-)
-
- When (not if) OSF/MOTIF wanders off into SUN land, we will have a
- level playing field. Do we need to go farther? If you put all the
- new OSF (really Apollo) networking components into the SYSV TCP/IP
- mess, you will have a very good and stable base. Enough
- development!
-
- What UNIX needs a to be as easy as a MAC. Not just for administration,
- but for users. How about the following:
-
- 1) Pushing the power button starts shutdown.
-
- 2) Easier networking (maybe buttons? One button per
- machine, push it and get a list of files systems to
- mount? Perhaps it can be folded into the file manager in
- Vue? Click and drag for mounts? How about defaulting to
- soft and bg for disk mounts? How about an NFS that
- automatically takes NFS disks offline when a machine
- goes down, and doesn't bring them back up until the
- machine comes back on line? How about an NFS that
- realizes that a copy from one remote machine to another,
- like so, is two network file copies of the data:
-
- machine-1 machine-2
- \ /
- \ /
- host-machine
-
- Whereas a single copy could be done if the host-machine
- just issues a copy command to machine-1?
-
- machine-1 ---------> machine-2
- \
- Please copy?
- \
- host-machine
-
- 3) Better press. Maybe even OSF sponsered UNIX ads?
-
- 4) A self modifying kernel? The Kernel says, "Gee, I'm out
- of this resource, let's send mail to the root user and tell
- him/her what is wrong! How about fix it myself?"
-
- 5) Dual fork file systems. Yeah, you may have to license
- this from Apple, but you'll need this if Vue will ever work
- for normal humans. File extensions for file types are
- just too kludgy for words, left over from the VMS/DOS days.
-
-
- There are plenty of others. Perhaps the UNIX wars really should be
- over, with OSF being the fighter against other operating systems?
- UNIX White Blood Cells OSF becomes WBC? :-)
-
- Tony Burzio
- Arete Associates
- San Diego, CA
-