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- From: mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
- Subject: Re: Mac OS vs. TOS (was Re: Falcon Graphics
- Message-ID: <1992Sep8.131121.3800@spcvxb.spc.edu>
- Date: 8 Sep 92 17:11:21 GMT
- References: <Bu1Dyu.IA0@gp <10190@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> <1992Sep7.005733.3791@spcvxb.spc.edu> <1992Sep8.031117.11123@actrix.gen.nz>
- Organization: SPC Community Access System
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- In article <1992Sep8.031117.11123@actrix.gen.nz>, James.Hampton@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
- > In article <1992Sep7.005733.3791@spcvxb.spc.edu> mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
- >>
- >> In today's New York Times, there is an ad from J&R Music World
- >> for a Mac Classic II for $1199. For that you get:
- >>
- >> 68030-16mhz mpu
- >> 4mb RAM
- >> 40mb hard disk
- >> keyboard
- >> (hi rez mono monitor built in)
- >>
- >> That is $400 more than the indicated price of the Falcon and for
- >> that extra money you get 3mb more RAM, monitor, hard disk, and
- >> stable system software. ...not to mention the thousands of software
- >> titles available off the shelf (instead of hunting all over town for
- >> a music store with a few game titles).
- >>
- >> Regards,
- >>
- >> Chris
- >
- > The pick of the wizard of Wall street is a Mac Classic II? Sounds
- > like the wizard turned himself into a clown!
-
- Hehe, that is always the first sign that a rebuttal has no substance...
- when the person resorts to namecalling. Nice try.
-
- >
- > The 68030 in the Classic II is crippled with a 16-bit bus. If you
- > also think a tiny mono monitor is some kind of bonus then you must
- > be into S&M.
-
- No, it is not "my pick". At work I use a MacIIfx and a Quadra 900
- and at home I use a 486-33 (soon to be 66mhz). However, I can tell
- you (and any knowledgable salesperson will tell you) that the Mac
- Classic II and the Mac LC (a lowly 68020 machine) probably sold more
- units in the last 3 months than Atari sold in the last 2 years.
- At computer stores in NYC, they cannot keep Mac Classic II's on
- the shelves, while Atari products gather dust.
-
- > An analyst such as you shouldn't have any problem adding up the
- > few extras included in the Falcon. Try adding up what the following
- > features would cost in a Mac: DSP with 16-bit stereo I/O, VGA _and_
- > NTSC video, SCSI 2, IDE, video overlay/genlock, blitter, etc.
- > Include an OS with pre-emptive multitasking and memory protection
- > in your total.
-
- Perhaps, you're average computer buyer doesn't want/need these
- features or is unwilling to buy into a company with a shady
- track record to get them?
-
- Besides, you can buy a 486-box with all of the features you
- describe except the DSP (I don't know much about DSP...sorry)
- running OS/2 (pre-emptive multitasking) for less than US$2000.
- And you won't have to worry about where you'll find software
- for your machine, or video boards, or sound cards, or...you
- get the picture.
-
- What am I driving at? The Falcon may or may not be a good
- machine for the money, but you can buy comparable hardware
- from other more reliable manufacturers with better support
- track records, and a large installed base of software for
- roughly the same amount of money. Whether that other pc
- is of the Intel flavor or Motorola flavor depends on the
- whims of the buyer.
-
- > Take a week and report back what the extras would cost us. Thanks
- > for helping us ignorant folks out.
-
- I am not saying you are ignorant. Why are you so defensive?
- Perhaps, you have a vested interest in buying a Falcon if
- you already have sunk a lot of money into Atari products
- and/or software. However, I don't think it makes sense for
- a "greenhorn" to risk his cajones on a computer from a company
- with Atari's historically bad support and poor market share.
- In order for Atari to gain market share, they are going to
- have to convince users of other systems and new users that
- Atari has a good product with a lot of software available.
- And that software should be available at a wide variety
- of locations. At present, finding Atari products (other
- than the Lynx) is very difficult.
-
- Two years ago, I predicted that Atari would not fare well
- in the "pc war" and I also said that their stock price
- would suffer as a result (above the howls of ridicule from
- the Atari cheerleaders). Well, I was right and I think
- that the Falcon, though it seems to be an interesting
- concept, will not fare well in the marketplace.
-
- Regards,
-
- Chris
-
-
-