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- From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
- Subject: Re: AA or AGA in A3000
- Message-ID: <35128@cbmvax.commodore.com>
- Date: 15 Sep 92 16:18:40 GMT
- References: <1992Sep12.222804.8743@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> <1992Sep13.064603.14571@nntp.uoregon.edu> <13280@bnr-rsc.UUCP>
- Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
- Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA
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- In article <13280@bnr-rsc.UUCP> mascot@bnr.ca (Scott Mason) writes:
- >In article <1992Sep13.064603.14571@nntp.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
-
- >> The AGA chipset can not be put inside the A3000. AGA and ECS are not pin
- >>compatable, and the A3000 doesn't have the bandwidth required to make use of
- >>the new high-color graphics modes.
-
- >This seems to be the net.wisdom throughout the csa groups.
- >But is it necessarily true? Bandwidth doesn't seem like
- >it should be a big problem. Even Dave H. mentioned that
- >the choice between a 32-bit or a 16-bit double-speed custom
- >chip set is an engineering decision.
-
- Yes, it's the choice of the engineers building the chipset. They build the
- chips to require a certain memory performance. If you use slower memory or
- a thinner bus, the chips may not function at all.
-
- >If one wanted to squeeze the AGA chipset into existing (oops, earlier - I
- >guess the A4000 "exists" :-)) Amigas, couldn't you work the 16 bit memory a
- >little harder to assemble 32-bit words.
-
- No. That 16-bit memory is too slow. The new chips can deal with 16 or 32-bit
- memory, either single or double cycled. To double cycle memory, you need 80ns
- or faster. Most Amigas use 120-150ns Chip RAM (it's certainly possible that
- newer boards have something faster, since it's OK to use faster RAM here if it's
- available, but there's no guarantee). To get full A4000 graphics performance,
- you need memory that's both wide and fast.
-
- >Perhaps faster memory or page-mode devices would be required, but that seems
- >feasible since they could be put in the existing sockets.
-
- Most systems have at least some Chip RAM soldered in. Since you're gonna have
- to replace memory anyway, and you're gonna have to have a kludge-a-matic PCB of
- some kind to even hope a retrofit, like gets all kinds of easier if you just
- resign yourself to the fact that the kludge-a-matic board will have to supply
- its own DRAM. Then you figure out how to get C= to sell Alice and Lisa and a
- version of 3.0 for whatever system you're trying to update (though I suppose
- eventually all systems may go to 3.0 or at least 3.x).
-
-
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