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- From: deej@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (david.g.lewis)
- Subject: Re: TCP/IP over ISDN
- Message-ID: <1992Sep10.143836.11131@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
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- Organization: AT&T
- References: <ms.715642065@walhalla> <1992Sep8.183030.330@gandalf.ca> <1992Sep10.040648.20853@dumbcat.sf.ca.us>
- Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:38:36 GMT
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- In article <1992Sep10.040648.20853@dumbcat.sf.ca.us> marc@ascend.com writes:
- >In article <1992Sep8.183030.330@gandalf.ca> djarrett@gandalf.ca (Dave Jarrett) writes:
- > > Don't get hung up on this user-user information thing. All we require
- > > to do a poll, is 1 available bit, anywhere in the connect packet, which
- > > will tell the receiving node that this connect request is really a poll.
- > > Surely even ITR6 has 1 available bit which can be used for this purpose?
- >
- >Hmmmm, I'm looking at the AT&T PRI spec (TR 41449/TR 41459) and the only
- >Information Elements that are mandatory are:
- >
- > Bearer Capability
- > Channel Identification
- > Called party number
-
- Protocol Discriminator, Message Type, and Call Reference are also mandatory.
-
- >Experience tells me that the Bearer Capability for an incoming call often
- >bears no relation to the one in the originators setup message.
-
- I feel I must take some exception to this...
-
- First, TR 41459 specifies the AT&T network ISDN PRI - the protocol that you
- use when you purchase a PRI from AT&T Communications Services, or whatever
- we're calling ourselves these days.
-
- If the call both originates and terminates on AT&T network PRIs, the BCs
- should be very closely related. In fact, they should be identical.
-
- IF the call originates or terminates on another network, BRI or PRI, the
- situation may be different. If it's a voice call, an Information Transfer
- Capability of "speech" may be mapped to "3.1kHz audio", or vice-versa; as I
- recall, Bellcore TRs treat them pretty much interchangeably.
-
- If it's a data call, and it interworks with CSDC access ("switched 56"),
- things may be a little more complicated. For example, a call may be
- originated from an AT&T PRI, destined for an Accunet Switched Digital
- Service customer served by a LEC BRI, with access to Accunet SDS through a
- digital switched access arrangement using 56kb/s CSDC trunks. In this case,
- the BC at the originating PRI must be coded 64kb/s circuit mode, with octet
- 5 of the BC indicating a user information layer 1 protocol of V.110 rate
- adaption to 56kb/s. Because this detailed information can not be
- transferred across the CSDC (in-band signaled) trunks, the LEC switch may
- not code the BC in the SETUP message to the BRI in this way. Similarly, if a
- call is delivered to the AT&T network over CSDC trunks for delivery to a
- PRI, the Information Transfer Rate field of the BC IE will be coded 64kb/s.
- Octet 5 should show rate adaption to 56kb/s. The access BRI may not require
- the rate adaption to be explicitly coded.
-
- >The "mandatory" called party number isn't in setups that come from a Definity
- >Generic I PBX.
-
- Over a PRI it certainly is. If a SETUP message is sent by a PBX to the AT&T
- network and does not include a Called Party Number IE, the call attempt will
- be cleared. On the terminal side of the Definity, the terminal may receive
- information via Keypad IEs.
-
- >Ok, on to BRI and the 5ESS specifically (I'm not picking on AT&T, it's just
- >that I happen to have their manuals at home). Only the Bearer capability is
- >required.
-
- Called Party Number is not mandatory over BRI because BRI may use Keypad IEs
- with overlap signaling procedures. Channel ID, I'm guessing, may not be
- mandatory if the switch chooses the channel and returns the selected channel
- in the first Call Proceeding or Setup Ack message.
-
- >Maybe in the future when the world is SS7 you'll be able to trust the bearer
- >cap IE.
- > Until that time
- >* as your call goes from switch to switch it can (and will) be munged
- >* it sometimes lies. I've received calls with a 64K Bearer Cap IE that I
- > *know* went over at least one line/network that only had 56K capabilities.
- >
- >Now where is that bit?
-
- Again, to get back to the original thread, certain IEs are designated as
- usable for user to user information transfer. These include UUI, High Layer
- Compatibility, Low Layer Compatibility, subaddress IEs, and Codeset 7 IEs.
- If you attempt to use anything else to transfer user to user information,
- there is no guarantee, explicit or implied, that it will be delivered the
- way you want it - or that it will be delivered at all.
-
-
- Disclaimer: Anyplace I say "may" I'm hypothesizing based on
- generally-available information. Anyplace I say "does" or "will" or "must"
- I'm pulling info from TR 41459 - you could look it up...
-
-
- David G Lewis AT&T Bell Laboratories
- david.g.lewis@att.com or !att!houxa!deej Switching & ISDN Implementation
-