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- From: asd@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Doug McClure)
- Newsgroups: comp.edu,comp.lang.misc
- Subject: Re: Programmers
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- Date: 10 Sep 92 17:28:21 GMT
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- In <1992Sep10.142205.16217@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com> lezz@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Lezz Giles) writes:
-
- >[lots deleted including some responses adding things like OS and database
- > to the list...]
-
- >Following this further, if you start as a programmer then the original
- >list seems reasonable (with maybe a few omissions) for a basic reasonably
- >proficient programmer. It is nowhere near a complete list for a
- >software engineer and there is almost nothing on it for a computer scientist
- >(for example, a computer scientist isn't concerned with "parsing" - but
- >he knows about grammars).
-
- Indeed! I have found that the biggest problem, here at college, is
- that Computer Programmer is NOT a major. It's not even a minor!
- Instead, I get to be a Computer Scientist! I don't want to be a
- Scientist! I want to be a Computer Programmer, or a Software
- Engineer. Leave all that numerical computational math theory bullshit
- to the academics. I could really care less. But I want to be able to
- work! I want to know how to write a server, custom engineer a system
- for a client, or write super fast code for a device driver.
-
- Alas it is not to be. I know, now after my five years hear at Undue
- Perversity, that there ARE schools out there that teach you how to
- program, who teach you how to be a software engineer. Schools that
- give you skills so that you could graduate and be ready to work from
- day one. I'll be able to, to some degree, mainly because I've spent
- many hours of my own time teaching myself what I needed to know. And
- ya know what, not one minute of that time was spent on numerical
- analysis.
-
- Schools need to offer a complete and seperate Computing divison
- school. Under that they should offer degrees of Computer
- Technology/Programer, Software Engineer, Computer Engineer, and
- finally Computer Scientist. And if you want to be a CompSci, then you
- can be. But if you want to instead be taught computers from the
- perspective that you are going to be an worker some day and need good
- solid programming, software engineering concepts, then you should be
- able to get them, instead of having to pick it all up on your own.
-
- Sorry bout the verbosity. This is a subject that really pisses me
- off. I picked a college that was supposedly a great place for folks
- who wanted to get computer degrees, and found that they didn't want to
- give me knowledge about how to work, but wanted to turn me into a
- scientist, possible grad student.
-
- -dsm
-