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- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
- Path: sparky!uunet!sun-barr!ames!sgi!rhyolite!vjs
- From: vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver)
- Subject: Re: Optimizing Telebits.
- Message-ID: <piennvg@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com>
- Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mountain View, CA
- References: <1992Sep6.135028.22661@homecare.com> <1992Sep7.182013.7094@ntg.com>
- Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:37:19 GMT
- Lines: 47
-
- In article <1992Sep7.182013.7094@ntg.com>, dplatt@ntg.com (Dave Platt) writes:
- > ...
- > >4) And last - this is just a little pet peeve. For some reason these
- > >WorldBlazers think they need to retrain when they lose the modem on
- > >the other side. The other end will cut off the connection and the
- > >WB's CD light starts blinking like it is retraining. How can I stop
- > >this from happening? I wan't the damn thing to hang up and not wait
- > >10 seconds while it figures out the line has been dropped. I've seen
- > >no other Telebits do this and it is aggravating to have this one do
- > >it.
- >
- > That's pretty much in the nature of V.32, I believe. V.32 uses a single
- > carrier frequency, with adaptive echo cancellation. It's not terribly
- > easy for a V.32 modem to tell (quickly) that its peer at the other end
- > has disconnected, since it continues to "hear" the carrier signal come
- > back (its own carrier, delayed and mixed). If the modem is more quick
- > to hang up when carrier is actually dropped, it will probably also be
- > more prone to disconnect prematurely if there's a burst of noise on the
- > line.
-
-
- There may be more to it than that.
-
- I don't pretend to know the real mathematics about what is going on
- while stuffing nearly the Shannon limit of bits down a pair of wires.
- (tho I do know enough to suspect that many who have written on that
- subject in this newsgroup are at best as ignorant as I am.)
-
- Still, consider the number of possible states of the wire as seen by
- the local modem. As you approach the Shannon limit, how many of those
- are nonsense and how many are valid states signifying that the other
- end wants to send you a particular set of bits? It seems to me that as
- you increase the number of bits, it should get more and more difficult
- and take more and more time for the local modem to decide that the
- other end has disappeared. At the limit, every possible state or
- sequence of states of the wire (whether specified in time or frequency)
- must correspond to a valid set of data bits with a permitted addition
- of some noise. At the limit, with no reduncancy at all (either in the
- lowest layer of modulation or in the higher layers of stuff like v.42),
- the receiving modem can never and will never decide the other end has
- gone away.
-
- Is 14.4Kb/s FDX close enough to the Shannon limit for this effect to be
- significant?
-
-
- Vernon Schryver, vjs@sgi.com
-