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- From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.)
- Subject: Re: Turing Indistinguishability is a Scientific Criterion
- Message-ID: <1992Sep8.223636.22707@access.usask.ca>
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- Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
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- Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:36:36 GMT
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- In article <Bu7rCD.CMG.1@cs.cmu.edu>, sef@sef-pmax.slisp.cs.cmu.edu writes:
- |>
- |> From: ward@sun17.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Ward)
- |>
- |> If I can push a nail into the wall with my own hands, then why would I build
- |> a hammer?
- |>
- |> If I can pull a plough, then why would I make a tractor?
- |>
- |> To get into the domain of computers; if I can perform 50 Gigaflops then
- |> why would I need a Cray?
- |>
- |> One does not make machines that merely duplicate human function - they must
- |> do it better.
- |>
- |> Nonsense! We make machines all the time that do jobs that a person could
- |> do, but doesn't want to. Consider automatic pilots, automatic door
- |> openers, automatic elevators, home dishwashers, or even dial-operated
- |> telephone exchanges. One could argue that a human can do each of these
- |> tasks better than the equivalent machine, but the human would get bored,
- |> want to be paid a lot, go on strike, etc. So a machine that does these
- |> tasks WELL ENOUGH is valuable, even if it's not nearly as good as a human.
- |> Then the humans can spend their time doing things that humans like better
- |> (or, in certain economic systems, they can starve).
- |>
- |> -- Scott
-
- Au contraire. We are always, well mostly, trying to improve machines that
- do not do as well as people. The automatic door opener has to be careful
- not to hit someone with the door. It has to be fast. It has to work in
- the 40 below without a buffalo coat. The automatic pilot has to be able
- to land the plane on short runways or with the afterburners on. Dishwashers
- are more efficient with water usage and can take hotter water than hands.
- The products we see now are stepping stones towards the future. We don't
- always have to do it better than people on the first go. When tractors
- first came out, they broke down much faster than any farmer would, even if
- he did his gardening without a plow. The first electrical computers
- needed paint by the gallon. Present computers need paint by the oil tanker,
- but they ARE prettier. Future computers won't need so much cosmetics.
- They'll rely on natural beauty.
-
- It seems that in the end we won't starve. We'll have nothing purposeful to
- do. And anyone can make a useless machine to be more useless than people.
- Do we know something that everyone + machines SHOULD do, something that
- could exhaust the resources of the universe?
-
- Henry Choy
-