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- From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
- Subject: Re: Petition for withdrawal of NRC report: Computing the Future
- In-Reply-To: sef@sef-pmax.slisp.cs.cmu.edu's message of Sun, 6 Sep 1992 20:46:58 GMT
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- Date: 6 Sep 92 15:39:40
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- In article <Bu6CEC.Ato.1@cs.cmu.edu> sef@sef-pmax.slisp.cs.cmu.edu writes:
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-
- I haven't yet seen "Computing for the Future", so I have nothing to say
- (yet) about the substantive issues raised by John McCarthy et al. However,
- I'm puzzled by their choice of tactics. Why propose a petition urging that
- the report be withdrawn? If this emminent group of computer scientists
- disagrees with the report, why not just produce their own paper in
- rebuttal, and try to rally AI researchers and policy makers to their own
- views? Why suggest that the original report be suppressed?
-
- Did the NRC board try to present "Computing for the Future" as representing
- the views of the CS field as a whole? If so, they are out of bounds; if
- not, then the report just reflects the views of its authors. It seems more
- appropriate to argue the issues with these authors than to try to browbeat
- them into silence.
-
- -- Scott
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- Scott E. Fahlman
- School of Computer Science
- Carnegie Mellon University
- 5000 Forbes Avenue
- Pittsburgh, PA 15213
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- Internet: sef+@cs.cmu.edu
-
- Indeed NRC reports do have an official and authoritative character and
- are represented as not just the views of the authors but as the
- conclusions of the National Research Council. The National
- Academy of Sciences was chartered in 1864 and one of its functions was
- to give scientific advice to the Government. Today it and the
- National Academy of Engineering do this through the National Research
- Council. NRC reports are supposed to represent a consensus, or if it
- is not possible to obtain a consensus, then a presentation of majority
- and minority opinions.
-
- The authors are not just a group of people who decided to get together
- and write a book. If they were, Fahlman would be entirely correct.
- NRC committees are chosen by Boards of the NRC, in this case the
- Computer Science and Telecommunication Board. If the report is bad,
- as we say it is, then it is entirely appropriate for the CSTB to
- withdraw the report and arrange for another.
-
- My opinion is that the Committee, which contains people who should no
- better, were stampeded into an extreme position. Some of them regret
- some of the items we complained about. What the CSTB, which approved
- the report, will do is uncertain. Copies of the full report are
- available in every computer science department, because free copies
- were sent to chairmen. Also Raj Reddy at CMU has a copy, because he
- is on the Board and was on the Committee. Probably he has two copies.
-
- Some people are pressing NRC to put the whole report on line. As
- stated before, we OCRed the preface and executive summary, and
- they are available for anonymous ftp at sail.stanford.edu under
- the name pub/jmc/preface.tex. The other files in that directory
- also relate to the issue.
-
-
- --
- John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
- *
- He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
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