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- From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
- Subject: Re: Denial
- Message-ID: <1992Sep10.001650.4949@colorado.edu>
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- Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs
- References: <1992Aug31.061032.12392@colorado.edu> <1992Sep4.164018.3495@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
- Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:16:50 GMT
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- In article <1992Sep4.164018.3495@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> davis@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Barbara Davis) writes:
- >I'm asking that you just "try on" the notion that you are a rescuer of hurt
- >women. Only you will be able to tell if the label fits and if you reject it
- >I won't bring it up again.
-
- I don't think so, but this is a difficult question. I do have 'unhurt'
- friends (of both genders) but our relationships tend to be shallow
- compared to those with 'hurt' friends.
-
- Are the latter relationships deeper because of greater experience, or
- simply because they are 'hurt' and I want to rescue them? What about
- the fact that I turn to these 'rescued' women for support of my own?
-
- >You appear to feel that you can love someone enough to give them good self
- >esteem. You seem to be saying that if someone loved you as much as you love
- >them and if they were as supportive of you as you try to be of them, all
- >other issues of self-esteem would be healed.
-
- Nope.
-
- >It is my experience that self-esteem doesn't come from someone telling us we
- >are worthwhile. It comes from us telling ourselves we are worthwhile. The
- >more someone else tries to convince us we are great the more of our energy
- >goes into proving them wrong. Soon we have no energy for anything else.
-
- There's a difference between telling someone they are 'great' and
- telling them they aren't dog-shit. I see your point, but I think
- there is a middle ground.
-
- >When someone tries to rescue us in the name of love, they actually rob us of
- >the power to heal ourselves. If one of these women you have been involved
- >with tried to rescue you, you would be furious and would reject their
- >efforts.
-
- That depends upon _how_ you are rescued. You yourself suggested
- non-destructive approaches in a later paragraph (listening without
- offering advice, etc).
-
- >This is why I think you are meeting so much of what feels like rejection to
- >you. You are so sensitive to the feelings of others. You see their pain
- >and you want to make it go away. You are a giving and caring person and so
- >you try and try to heal their pain. The harder you try the more they push
- >you away.
-
- At least this week I wasn't trying to heal her pain. I would like to
- help her discover herself, but I know that is an _extremely_ painful
- process.
-
-
- Bear Giles
- bear@fsl.noaa.gov
-