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- From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
- Subject: Re: Cough Man's hypocrisy
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- Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:56:13 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Aug28.195613.2912@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
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- In article <1992Aug28.183830.16567@ncsu.edu> dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- > In article <1992Aug27.122014.9891@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
- > decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:
- >
- > > What I find amazing is the failure to recognize, on the part
- > > of so-called "pro-life" people, that a state which can compell
- > > pregnancy to continue, a state which can intrude into such
- > > fundamental matters of a person's private life, can also take
- > > a very short step to compelling abortion.
- >
- > You have ignored the fact that the state's interest in prohibiting
- > abortion is fundamentally different from the state's interest
- > in mandating abortion. In addition, your statement presumes
- > that abortion is a legitimate exercise of a person's right to
- > conduct their own personal affairs. That presumption is
- > questionable on its face, since an abortion kills a human
- > being.
-
- On the contrary, my statement addresses the issue directly.
- The fundamental meaning of Roe v Wade is that a person has a
- right to privacy in the form of their own body which can only
- be superceded by a compelling interest. The law in all of
- its many incarnations is nothing more than a statement of
- compelling interest. As for what abortion kills, it kills
- a human entity which does not have a right to occupy the body
- of another human against that human's will, a right which
- no other person at any other time is granted. You ignore the
- fact (well, ignoring facts is rather a thing of yours) that
- most people would gladly transfer the presence of the fetus
- rather than have an abortion were it feasible. Until such time,
- abortion provides the only feasible alternative to an unwanted
- pregnancy other than carrying it to term.
- >
- > Your slippery-slope argument is basically an attack on the
- > concept of a ``compelling state interest'', rather than
- > a direct attack on abortion laws. According to your reasoning,
-
- No, it is an attack on abortion prohibitions, and an attack
- on the argument that was presented but deleted by you in your
- usual effort to take things out of context.
-
- > the state should not involve itself in regulating abortion,
- > even to protect the woman's health, because the state may
- > ultimately attempt to rationalize mandatory abortion laws
- > based upon some ``compelling state interest''.
-
- No, that's not my argument, that's yours.
- >
- > The state could not even require a physician to perform the abortion,
- > or to require sterilized procedures, because these regulations
- > are based upon a ``compelling state interest'' in protecting
- > the woman's health, and the concept of a ``compelling state
- > interest'' may ultimately be used as a basis for rationalizing
- > mandatory abortion laws.
-
- On the contrary, the state has responsibilities also, but there
- are limits. It is you who are using the slippery slope argument
- here to justify your opposition to human rights.
-
- Dean Kaflowitz
-
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