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- From: rjohnson@shell.com (Roy Johnson)
- Subject: Re: I Tend To Be Pro-Choice Because:
- In-Reply-To: knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU's message of Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:35:25 GMT
- Message-ID: <RJOHNSON.92Aug28100726@conus.shell.com>
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- Date: 28 Aug 92 10:07:26
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- knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) writes:
- >rjohnson@shell.com (Roy Johnson) writes:
- >>knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) writes:
- >> >orr@newton.mcs.gvsu.edu (Wes Orr {Academic Computing}) writes:
- >> >>If only it were possible to take fetuses from
- >> >>their unwanting mothers and give them to homes where they are wanted.
- >>
- >> >If that were true, what do you think the chances are that one to two million
- >> >extra children (predominantly non-white btw) will find homes?
- >>
- >>Some would call this a racist statement. I'll just call it ignorant.
- [figures deleted]
-
- >Fine, but the issue was not the number of abortions, but the number of
- >children up for adoption. My issue was with adoption, not abortion.
- >If you can supply similar numbers for children up for adoption, I would be
- >very interested to see them.
-
- Your remark was about "extra children" -- I took that to mean those that
- would have been aborted but instead were taken from the womb to be
- adopted.
-
- >I don't understand why you consider a comment which makes a racial distinction,
- >racist, but I apologize if you took it that way. It was not intended to
- >be racist.
-
- I didn't call it racist. But the reason it looks racist is that you implied
- that abortions are performed on non-whites hugely out of proportion with the
- general population distribution, and you had no basis for saying that.
-
- >I won't call you ignorant for not staying with the issue, how's that?
-
- Dandy.
-
- >> >I think it's small. I also think that most pro-lifers complain about the
- >> >problem of 'baby slaugtering' but do literally nothing to house, clothe and
- >> >feed the children without homes right *now*.
- >>
- >>You are, of course, mistaken.
-
- >No, you have missed the point. I have no problem admitting I am mistaken, you
- >have not pointed out an error yet.
-
- >>Just because you see the abortion
- >>protests and don't see the protesters' other actions, don't assume
- >>that they are not active in helping the needy.
-
- >I'm not assuming, I'm not seeing it. If you can provide some evidence of a
- >similarly massive movement by the pro-lifers to try to take care of the
- >*existing* unwanted children, I will be glad to hear about it.
-
- Crisis Pregnancy Centers counsel women and arrange for adoption. They're
- also under fire for trying to talk women out of abortions, when the women
- went there thinking they were abortion clinics, but that's another topic.
-
- Churches, responsible for the bulk of the pro-life movement, teach values
- besides stopping abortion. Large numbers of foster parents became foster
- parents because of their religious beliefs. As for a "massive movement",
- there isn't a need for one, because it's not controversial.
-
- I might refer you to the book "Completely Pro-Life". If you're interested,
- I can get author, ISBN, etc. Caveat -- I haven't read it, my wife has.
-
- >Perhaps they are blowing up group homes now?
-
- Nuts blow up things -- this is not typical of the pro-life movement,
- even if you believe they are nuts. When was the last clinic bombing,
- anyway?
- --
- Roy Johnson, who is not Kibo
- Shell Development Company (but speaking for myself)
- "There's a big difference between being a lesbian and being a male!"
- -- tabn3@isuvax.iastate.edu (Griffy)
-