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- From: gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga)
- Subject: Re: Observations
- Message-ID: <1992Aug26.221354.11848@coopsol.com>
- Organization: Stay Awake Software
- References: <1992Aug20.191212.8054@spdc.ti.com> <1992Aug21.181204.1035@eco.twg.com> <1992Aug25.175947.13336@advtech.uswest.com>
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- Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 22:13:54 GMT
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- <1992Aug25.175947.13336@advtech.uswest.com> stevens@eatdust (John Stevens) said:
- >In article <1992Aug21.181204.1035@eco.twg.com> chall@eco.twg.com (Charles Don Hall) writes:
- >>In <1992Aug20.191212.8054@spdc.ti.com> serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) writes:
- >>You seem to imply that you're not making a religious argument. I
- >>don't see how this can be. The basic religious argument is: "Sex
- >>is for reproduction only, because God says so." You can't convert
- >>this into a secular argument like: "Sex is for reproduction only,
- >>because Biology says so." Biology clearly says that sex is
- >>both for reproduction and for pleasure.
- >
- >But biology also says that the two are inseparable in intercourse.
-
- No it doesn't. One can have sex without reproduction.
-
- >>But wouldn't you agree that unfertilized eggs
- >>are also potential humans? If a woman has the opportunity to get
- >>pregnant, and doesn't, then the unfertilized egg is cruelly expelled
- >>from her body. Celibacy and abortion have exactly the same effect.
- >
- >Then instead of attempting to define absolute points, perhaps we should
- >talk about degrees of potential. And base our limits on abortion on
- >potential. If a newly fertilized egg has zero potential for life,
- >and a new born has 100% potential for life, then perhaps abortion
- >becomes murder when the potential for life reaches or exceeds fifty
- >percent. . .
-
- How about 100%?
-
- >Of course, IMHO an egg is not a potential human being, as it has not
- >been fertilized.
-
- Of course, IMHO a fetus is not a person, as it has not been born yet.
-
- >>Could you expand on your reasons why the fetus' right-to-life
- >>only exists when the woman wasn't raped?
- >
- >Every fetus has a right-to-life.
-
- No it doesn't. This is probably where you are getting confused.
-
- >>When you make statements
- >>like this, it really looks like pregnancy is a punishment to be
- >>inflicted on women who have sex willingly.
- >
- >Nope. You make the assumption that pregnancy is a punishment.
-
- It is for a woman who does not want to be pregnant.
-
-
- Gordon
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