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- From: drraymon@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Darrell Raymond)
- Subject: Re: Dr. Fabrikant and honesty in science
- Message-ID: <BtuM5r.6uH@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>
- Organization: University of Waterloo
- References: <1992Aug27.132822.4428@bb1t.monsanto.com> <1992Aug31.050420.8740@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au>
- Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:46:38 GMT
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- I fully agree with William Skelly's sentiments re: authorship being
- an important component of scientific publications. I have a few comments
- on his arguments, however:
-
- > 1. "author" -- "authorship"
- > one who writes --- he/she who has written. Period.
- > everyone one else should be acknowledged but if they
- > didn't help _write_ the paper, they are not
- > entitled to _authorship_
-
- The first meaning given by the OED to "author" (as a noun) is "The person
- who originates or gives existence to anything." Note that the person who
- actually writes the paper is not necessarily the one who gave existence to
- the ideas in it.
-
- > 2. "honesty" --
- .
- .
- > this is deadly serious. Not only is it dishonest to put
- > your name on a paper that you did not help write, its bloody
- > stupid, it basically says to anyone who knows, that MY
- > reputation really isn't worth a whole hell of a lot.
-
- Isn't it interesting that when papers are occasionally shown to be
- fraudulent, the sandbaggers always try to excuse themselves by saying
- they didn't really know what was going on? This is like one of our
- provincial cabinet ministers excusing herself for revealing secret
- information by saying "I lied, I had no such information", and taking
- a lie detector test to prove it.
-
- > 3. "authors" vs. "content" --
- .
- .
- > People doing the
- > hiring realise that there is a problem. Paper counting is NOT
- > always delivering them the best people. Soon ONLY the first
- > author will matter for the pramatic purpose of getting a job!
-
- Paper counting ISN'T going to deliver good people, even if only the
- real authors are listed. Let's not defend accuracy in authorship by
- means of the current poor metric in judging researchers. This is the
- place where content, not authorship counts, matters.
-
- -Darrell.
-