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- From: wskelly@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (William Skelly)
- Subject: Re: Dr. Fabrikant and honesty in science
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- Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:04:20 GMT
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- Someone just recently metioned the physics field where
- as many as 50 "authors" maybe more will be listed. He
- goes on to say this is ok, even if some (most?) have
- not even read the paper!!! Ugh. Some one else has
- suggested that its not about "honesty" that we are
- dealing with custom and that in each field their are
- different customs and as long as everyone knows the
- rules its AOK. Someone else even went so far as to
- suggest that this was all irrelavent because what
- matters is the content not the names listed on the
- front.
-
- Lets take these one at a time:
-
- 1. "author" -- "authorship"
- one who writes --- he/she who has written. Period.
- everyone one else should be acknowledged but if they
- didn't help _write_ the paper, they are not
- entitled to _authorship_
-
- 2. "honesty" -- authorship of an academic paper, is the same
- as signing a bank cheque --- its your reputation that goes
- on the line, you are saying that you stand by your commitment
- --- wrt. to the cheque it means you will honour your debt,
- wrt. to authorship it means that this is YOUR work, that
- you have not plagerised or perpetrated ANY dishonesties in
- the research represented under YOUR authorship. For me,
- this is deadly serious. Not only is itPaper dishonest to put
- your name on a paper that you did not help write, its bloody
- stupid, it basically says to anyone who knows, that MY
- reputation really isn't worth a whole hell of a lot.
-
- 3. "authors" vs. "content" -- I think it is really silly to
- suggest that the content matters but the authorship really
- doesn't. First and most pragmatically, your entire reputation
- rests with your publications, your publications are the
- primary method of comunicating your research. Dishonest,
- "all aboard" authorships are making it more and more difficult
- to accurately assess what you have done! People doing the
- hiring realise that there is a problem. Paper counting is NOT
- always delivering them the best people. Soon ONLY the first
- author will matter for the pramatic purpose of getting a job!
-
- Another reason that the "authorship" is important is much less
- pragmatic for you and I. Its called history. Perhaps there is
- a historian or two following this group who could shed some light
- on how difficult it will be to sort out this "mess" in a hundred
- years time? Perhaps history is unimportant?
-
-
- I put it to those who don't have a problem with "honorary
- authorship" (an ironic term if there ever was one) that the "all
- abord syndrome" is as detrimental to good science as is the
- "you site me --- I'll site you" game that also gets played a
- fair bit. It can be a bloody mess if you have to sort either
- out.
-
- chris
-