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- From: sriram@romulus.cray.com (Sriram Vajapeyam)
- Subject: Re: Dr. Fabrikant and honesty in science
- Message-ID: <1992Aug29.102206.9909@walter.cray.com>
- References: <1992Aug27.132822.4428@bb1t.monsanto.com> <28AUG199212501453@utkvx2.utk.edu> <1992Aug29.041141.31646@m.cs.uiuc.edu>
- Date: 29 Aug 92 10:22:05 CDT
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- In article <hpry3lk@rpi.edu> maniattb@cs.rpi.edu (Bill Maniatty) writes:
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- >In article <DASU.92Aug28183543@sscux1.ssc.gov>, dasu@sscux1.ssc.gov (Sridhara Dasu) writes:
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- >|> I think that there is too much fuss in the academia about the authorship
- >|> etc. How does it matter whose name is listed and in what order? For most
- >|> readers of the article it is the content that matters, and when they
- >|> refer to that work one wants others to be able to relocate the article.
- > [more stuff deleted]
- >|>
- >|> - Sridhara Dasu
- >|>
- > I suspect that many places of employment prefer scientists with active
- >research interests. The problem lies in the fact that publication and
- >citation counts are used as metrics for hiring and promotion purposes.
- >Employers can be faked out into rewarding non contributors if they use this
- >metric and non contributors get into the author lists. The problem seems to lie
- >with poorly chosen tools and the ability of undeserving individuals to circumvent
- >the system.
- >
- >Bill
-
- I believe that, for many people, the fundamental motivations for doing
- research are the thrill of doing it _and_ the resulting credit (beyond the
- more mundane job offers and grants) for the work. Fuzzy, non-uniform, and
- uninformative (e.g. alphabetical order) methods of listing the authors of
- a publication obfuscate the importance of the individual contributions.
-
- Not having an _explicit_ and standard authorship rule that needs no "off-line"
- interpretations seems to be at the root of many problems. IMHO, it is
- surprising that *science* is so "fuzzy" in its methods of acknowledging its
- contributors.
-
- Perhaps one way of tackling the real life issues of grants, better
- credibility, etc., might be to list group leaders, grant getters, etc.,
- on lines separate from the authors line, explicitly on the front page
- (rather than in the obscure acknowledgements section). And they would be
- identified explicitly as such - group leaders, advisors, etc.
-
- Of course, any method is good only so long as people play by the rules.
-
- Sriram
-