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- From: tk@ai.mit.edu (Tom Knight)
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- Subject: Re: quantization of angular momentum
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- Date: 3 Sep 92 18:23:46 GMT
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- In-reply-to: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu's message of 1 Sep 92 20:32:11 GMT
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- In article <1992Sep1.203211.2591@galois.mit.edu> jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) writes:
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- From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez)
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- I doubt that'll help Tom. His question, as I see it, is this.
- In QM position has a continuous spectrum and can take any value
- whatsoever. Ditto for momentum. So how come angular momentum, which
- is r x p, can only take values which are integer multiples of hbar/2?
- Good question. This is a way to make it very hard to understand why
- angular momentum has a discrete spectrum. If what you want to do is
- understand why it has a discrete spectrum, other routes are much easier!
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- I already know these arguments, which are persuasive (to me) for a bound system.
-
- But if you really want to take the bull by the horns and ask how a
- cross product of 2 quantities with continuous spectrum can have a
- discrete spectrum...
-
- Yup, this is what I'm interested in.
-
- the main thing to note is the position and momentum do not commute, so
- the ordinary rules do not apply!
-
- Ordinary rules, as in the definition of L as being r x p, or do you
- have in mind some other rules?
-
- A similar example is the harmonic oscillator. H = p^2 + q^2. Both
- the operators p^2 and q^2 have a continuous spectrum but H has a
- discrete spectrum. It's a fairly common phenomenon.
-
- Is a simple summary of this to say that eigenstates for position and
- momentum are not eigenstates of angular momentum, and that therefore a
- continuous spectrum of position or momentum leads to a superposition
- of angular momentum states, where the expectation value is r x p, but
- where each eigenstate still has discrete angular momentum? If this is
- right, then I think I understand it. I wouldn't turn down additional
- insight, however. Thanks.
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