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- From: jlg@cochiti.lanl.gov (Jim Giles)
- Subject: Re: Impure Mathematics
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- In article <Aug.28.13.28.14.1992.13802@ruhets.rutgers.edu>, bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner) writes:
- |> [...]
- |> What I wanted to say is, does Suzanne really need to make a well-
- |> reasoned argument that jokes about rape aren't funny? Just sit back
- |> and think about it for a moment. They're _obviously_ not funny, and
- |> people who can't figure that out are probably beyond hope.
-
- Is this really true, or are you being overly sensitive? *ALL* humor
- with the exception of puns (that's the only exception I can think of)
- is based on the suffering or ridicule of the characters involved in
- the humorous situation (puns derive their humor from the suffering
- they promote among the audience :-). Where do you draw the line?
- Tune into prime-time television *any* night and see jokes which
- ridicule characters, jokes about pain and/or injuries to characters,
- etc.. And what about jokes about the Challenger accident? The JFK
- assasination? The possibility Bush or Clinton might be elected
- this fall? They're _obviously_ not funny.
-
- What about a movie in which one of the characters happily goes about
- throwing books onto a fire? In the context of pre-WWII Germany, this
- wouldn't be funny at all. Yet, it's in a Marx Brothers film of that
- very era. I found the scene vaguely unsettling *NOW*.
-
- Yes there is a line between good taste and bad taste. Where that line
- is depends on the sensitivities of the culture the humor is embedded in.
- The Impure Mathematics sketch probably crosses that line these days.
- Dropping a safe on someone's head would possibly be just as shocking to
- people if some major beloved figure died that way - yet it's a component
- of the popular movie "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" (as well as a lot of
- pseudo-sexual innuendo - like blackmailing someone to play `paddy cake').
- Yet we show this stuff to our kids and think nothing of it.
-
- People are more sensitive these days to jokes about rape than about
- brutal murders: that is a function of social context not an objective
- position. When you find an *objective* criterion for what kinds of
- misfortune are not appropriate for humor, let us know. Or is all
- humor bad?
-
- --
- J. Giles
-
- P.S. The joke above about puns is obviously not itself a pun, yet I'm
- hardpressed to decide who is ridiculed or suffers by it. Whatever
- form of humor it is, it exemplifies another form that hurts no one.
- I'm not sufficiently informed in the language of humorists to supply
- the name for this form of humor.
-