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- Subject: Re: Parallel Postulate
- Message-ID: <4898@balrog.ctron.com>
- Date: 28 Aug 92 17:52:44 GMT
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- In <1992Aug27.115903.10390@waikato.ac.nz>, maj@waikato.ac.nz
- (Murray A. Jorgensen) writes:
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- > I have always felt that Euclid's form is superior because it contains
- > no mention of the mysterious undefined concept 'parallel'. And how
- > are we supposed to have any intuition of what 'parallel' means in the
- > various possible geometries that may exist without the axiom. I don't
- > think Playfairs Axiom plays fair in the least.
-
- While Playfair's Postulate (PP) tacitly uses the concept of
- "parallel lines," Euclid's Parallel Postulate (EPP) tacitly uses
- the concept of "side of a line." Their definitions are as follows
- (note "coplanar" in both):
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- parallel lines: Two lines are parallel if they are coplanar
- and nonintersecting.
-
- side of a line: Two points are on the same side of a line if
- the points and line are all coplanar and the segment between
- the points does not intersect the line.
-
- Which concept is more "intuitive," which more "mysterious?"
-
- > It has always struck me as question begging.
-
- For either PP or EPP to be meaningful in a geometry, "coplanar"
- must be meaningful in that geometry. In planar absolute geometry,
- "coplanar" is implicit. In higher-dimensional geometries, for
- example, we must define "coplanar" in order to use either axiom.
- So both axioms beg the question "What is a plane?"
-
- Given that we know what a plane is, PP becomes:
-
- For any point P off line l, there exists a unique line
- passing through P, coplanar with l, and not intersecting l.
-
- Compare this little gem with EPP. Even given "coplanar," the
- precise statement of EPP still requires defining "the sum of the
- adjacent interior angles is less than two right angles," with
- its incumbent definitions of "side of a line," "sum of angles,"
- etc. For this reason, I find EPP inferior to PP.
-
- At any rate, it would be nice to a generalized version of the
- Parallel Postulate which does not need to know about planes. Is
- this possible?
-
-
- --
- David W. Wilson (wilson@ctron.com)
-
- Disclaimer: "Truth is just truth...You can't have opinions about truth."
- - Peter Schikele, introduction to P.D.Q. Bach's oratorio "The Seasonings."
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